Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Edinburger]

McWigglebum4th said:

I hear the SNP support introducing PR to the UK electoral system

Which means in scotland we would go from 1 tory MP to 6 or 7 tory MPs


Or is this the wrong kind of democracy?

That'll never happen though, sadly.

[Edinburger]

McWigglebum4th said:

We have only found one nat who understands economics

Edinburgh


And he voted NO

Err... Cheers but I'm no expert on economics.

[McWigglebum4th]

NoNeed said:

Edinburger said:

McWigglebum4th said:

And the reason 1.6million voted YES despite the obvious lies from the SNP i put down to the following factors

1 Being morons
2 Hating the English
3 Believing the lies that everything wrong in there life was the fault of those to the south (or is that UKIP voters)
4 Hating the 2 main parties in westminster and grasping any straw to get rid of them (or is that UKIP voters)
5 A deep rooted desire for independence of scotland even if it would wreck the economy and bring huge hardships to the poor
5 A belief that we are somehow better then others and we are being held back by them (or is that UKIP voters)

Wiggley.

I think you're being facetious but this might just be a true reflection of your distorted view of the world, your view of Scottish people, and your view of pro-independence people.

You really should show a little respect even if you don't agree with other peoples' views.

It's posts like this which make you look like a bell end.

Feel free to expand the list if he has forgotten something.

Edinburgh


Ever going to answer this?

[McWigglebum4th]

Edinburger said:

McWigglebum4th said:

We have only found one nat who understands economics

Edinburgh


And he voted NO

Err... Cheers but I'm no expert on economics.

Can you count to more then 10 without taking your shoes and socks off?

If yes you are smarter then most nationalists

[McWigglebum4th]

Edinburger said:

McWigglebum4th said:

I hear the SNP support introducing PR to the UK electoral system

Which means in scotland we would go from 1 tory MP to 6 or 7 tory MPs


Or is this the wrong kind of democracy?

That'll never happen though, sadly.

The only tiny sliver of hope we have from a labour/nazi coalition is they might bring in PR


But i find it highly unlikely if the SNP end up with more then 75% of scottish MPs on 45% of the vote

[Sway]

Edinburger said:

Re. all this talk of Scottish / English / rUK'ish income tax rates, how do people see it working?

A company who only do business in one of those countries and whose employees all live in one of those countries is pretty straightforward.

But there's lots of variants on that model. The UK is highly integrated.

For example, I live and work in Scotland and am employed by an English company so which tax rate will I pay and how is that administered given I pay tax through an English tax office?

Let's say you live and work in Manchester but your employer is, say, RBS. How does that work?

Not sure it's all as straightforward as it should be.

It'd be relatively simple, but costly for business - different payroll centres processing 'local' wages...

Although, in RBS's case, payroll is actually administered in Manchester, yet processed via an Edinburgh tax office!

[Murph7355]

Strocky said:

I admire the sheer gall of attacking the use of large numbers by NS then using the exact same principle when making the counter argument, top bombing sir and you nearly got away with it

I'm sure you're aware that the UK Government is currently paying £1399 per second in interest repayments?
Is that a smaller or larger number than £1 per second?
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/united...

As the IMF has now blown a hole in the Tories plan to generate a surplus over the 5 years fixed parliament term

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/15/im...

Do you still think the Tory cuts are the way to tackle the UK economy, bearing in mind the above and the fact that they missed every fiscal target they set themselves and the UK Debt has nearly doubled to £1.5Tn during the coalition's reign?

Or should'nt we look to stimulate the economy by spending within reason?

You spend 90% of that post rightly noting how much debt we're already in, how much interest we pay etc... And then suggest we do some spending within reason.

Is that more spending within reason over and above the spending not within reason we do already that causes the deficit and cranks up the debt?

[AstonZagato]

SNP "Lies on austerity"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-st...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/572547/SNP-auster...

They talk about ending austerity but the reality of their plans is rather different.

[AstonZagato]

Murph7355 said:

Strocky said:

Not sensible stuff about deficit

Sensible stuff

Osbourne on track this year
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5ad0ff66-e994-11e4-a687-...
(Daily Mail link for those that don't have FT access: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-305193...

[AstonZagato]

English votes for English laws coming if we get a Conservative govt:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32441969

[Ridgemont]

AstonZagato said:

Murph7355 said:

Strocky said:

Not sensible stuff about deficit

Sensible stuff

Osbourne on track this year
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5ad0ff66-e994-11e4-a687-...
(Daily Mail link for those that don't have FT access: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-305193...

Bonkers if you think that all parties, bar the Tories, are of the view that by the end of the next parliament they will still be running deficits including capital expenditure. That will be 19 years (2001) since the UK last ran a surplus.

Debt servicing costs in 2015, £43Bn. And that's with Gilt yields being at an all time low.

UK Defence Budget 2015, £43.1Bn.
UK Central Govt Education Budget 2015, £43.4Bn.

The penny will drop eventually.

[Ecosseven]

AstonZagato said:

SNP "Lies on austerity"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-st...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/572547/SNP-auster...

They talk about ending austerity but the reality of their plans is rather different.

It really does make you wonder if the majority of SNP supporters believe what organisations like the IFS say or if they care that financial hardship would be very likely in the event of independence. Does the desire for self governance over-ride everything else or is it that they just don't understand the potential financial implications?

[AstonZagato]

Ecosseven said:

AstonZagato said:

SNP "Lies on austerity"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-st...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/572547/SNP-auster...

They talk about ending austerity but the reality of their plans is rather different.

It really does make you wonder if the majority of SNP supporters believe what organisations like the IFS say or if they care that financial hardship would be very likely in the event of independence. Does the desire for self governance over-ride everything else or is it that they just don't understand the potential financial implications?

They believe "scaremongering"

[simoid]

The 45 don't give a fk about austerity, as long as it's Scottish austerity and not Tory austerity.

[Welshbeef]

Edinburger said:

Re. all this talk of Scottish / English / rUK'ish income tax rates, how do people see it working?

A company who only do business in one of those countries and whose employees all live in one of those countries is pretty straightforward.

But there's lots of variants on that model. The UK is highly integrated.

For example, I live and work in Scotland and am employed by an English company so which tax rate will I pay and how is that administered given I pay tax through an English tax office?

Let's say you live and work in Manchester but your employer is, say, RBS. How does that work?

Not sure it's all as straightforward as it should be.

It's very easy and is what's happening now ready for the devolved fiscal powers. Though they did come up against the issue that suddenly it identified all those who have not paid their HMRC taxes and council tax and poll tax previously... Soon SNP want to write that off they will have to cut spending now or increase taxes on working people now to pay for them ....

It will all be done on your registered principle residence where you are registered on the electrol roll. I guess it could be a ball ache if you then move in or out of Scotland and have to get into or out of the different tax rates. Could be open to fraud OR once you are declared a Scot then your NI number has the relevant Scottish tag on it and picks up the additional info for more less or different taxes.

[McWigglebum4th]

And what are the SNP going to do with income tax rates?

They can't have them the same as the bd english


It would be pointless moaning and moaning about not having them and then not using them (again)


If they drop the top rates then they are giving rich scum a tax break

So we must have a top rate of well over 50%


Anyone earning over £42K a likely to be a NO voter so they must be punished

So the 40% rate must go up


The majority are paying the 20% rate

So that will drop



I think we will end up with 65% as the top rate

50% as the middle rate

And 10% as the bottom rate

[Murph7355]

Ridgemont said:

...

The penny will drop eventually.

I fear it never will until it is forced to, as will happen with Greece eventually. And even then the population will blame everyone else.

This election will be the biggest indicator we've ever had on this front. If Labour get into power we are truly f*cked.

The irony is that when the money runs out the people who will be hurt the most, and it will be a world of pain, will be the "poor" and working classes who Labour purport to support.

[Welshbeef]

McWigglebum4th said:

And what are the SNP going to do with income tax rates?

They can't have them the same as the bd english


It would be pointless moaning and moaning about not having them and then not using them (again)


If they drop the top rates then they are giving rich scum a tax break

So we must have a top rate of well over 50%


Anyone earning over £42K a likely to be a NO voter so they must be punished

So the 40% rate must go up


The majority are paying the 20% rate

So that will drop



I think we will end up with 65% as the top rate

50% as the middle rate

And 10% as the bottom rate

Problem they have is that as part of the UK mobility is very easy - sell up move a few miles over the boarder job done pay rUK taxes which then means a bigger tax revenue gap than they had previously.

[simoid]

McWigglebum4th said:

And what are the SNP going to do with income tax rates?

They can't have them the same as the bd english


It would be pointless moaning and moaning about not having them and then not using them (again)


If they drop the top rates then they are giving rich scum a tax break

So we must have a top rate of well over 50%


Anyone earning over £42K a likely to be a NO voter so they must be punished

So the 40% rate must go up


The majority are paying the 20% rate

So that will drop



I think we will end up with 65% as the top rate

50% as the middle rate

And 10% as the bottom rate

Come on Wiggley, there's going to be a 45% rate in there somewhere

[simoid]

Welshbeef said:

Problem they have is that as part of the UK mobility is very easy - sell up move a few miles over the boarder job done pay rUK taxes which then means a bigger tax revenue gap than they had previously.

Can you possibly set up an autocorrect for boarder and border?