Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

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simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 28th April 2015
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Expect the worst; hope for the above!

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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Welshbeef said:
Anyone think that in Scotland we may see a repeat of the John Major silent victory style is all polls saying SNP going to destroy everyone but instead that doesn't materialise at all.
I think the Conservatives will do better than expected. Other parties' promises feel too similar and I think many people are tiring of the "anyone but the Tories" lines which we keep hearing.

Could be wrong but I think this will drive some people to vote Conservative.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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Ms Sturgeon on BBC Breakfast right now: "this election is certainly not about another independence. referendum".

Came across well. Usual anti-Tory lines. Number one goal is "end of austerity" and working with Labour.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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Re. above, she favour armed forces and maritime patrol rather than Trident. Was dismissive of the letter opposing scrapping of Trident by those twenty military chiefs.

Not a great interview by Bill. Barely probing and Ms Sturgeon spoke over him.

AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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I rather hope the John Major analogy works.

The Tories are thought to be unacceptable in polite society so pollsters hear other voting intentions. In the privacy of the polling booth, I think a different reality comes to the fore: " they are doing well on the economy and that's what's important ".

I think the inverse is true with the SNP. it is seen as the cool choice in Scotland so probably over-polls. However, not sure that there is much reason to not vote SNP in private. Labour or SNP is much of a muchness.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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Edinburger said:
Ms Sturgeon on BBC Breakfast right now: "this election is certainly not about another independence. referendum".
It took less then 12 hours after they lost the referendum before they stated they wanted another chance

You might find yourself living in an independent scotland in a few weeks time if the loud mouthed idiots in the SNP ranks get their way

http://www.sott.net/article/287750-Scotland-may-un...


exitwound

1,090 posts

179 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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McWigglebum4th said:
Edinburger said:
Ms Sturgeon on BBC Breakfast right now: "this election is certainly not about another independence. referendum".
It took less then 12 hours after they lost the referendum before they stated they wanted another chance

You might find yourself living in an independent scotland in a few weeks time if the loud mouthed idiots in the SNP ranks get their way

http://www.sott.net/article/287750-Scotland-may-un...
Not again.. Why is this so hard to take in?

For anyone who doesn't understand this yet, the SNP's prime function is to gain independence for Scotland. That's the only reason they exist!! Its their No.1 directive by any means and they simply will not stop until they achieve this.

For those who moan and groan when independence is mentioned again, they better get used to it as it will rear its head again in the near future. It doesn't matter what the vote was in the previous referendum, it will be voted on again and again until independence is finally achieved. Deal with it!!!

Once this has happened, then the SNP will be no more, ..game over, the Scottish Government will then have its own political parties for the Scots to vote for like any other government i.e. right, left, centre, green, monster raving loony or whatever etc etc..

Don't think for a minute that because the SNP is affecting Westminster politics that they won't be after independence anymore. Everything they do is focussed upon that single goal..

Nicola Sturgeon is correct at this time, ..this election has no mandate for another referendum, that will happen later when the time is right, but all you moaners and groaners better get used to the idea that the break up of the UK is inevitable. Btw.. I am no SNP/YES voter or supporter, but I understand how things are and will be. Get your head around it!

IainT

10,040 posts

237 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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Edinburger said:
Number one goal is "end of austerity" and
...beginning of bankruptcy.

IainT

10,040 posts

237 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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exitwound said:
Nicola Sturgeon is correct at this time, ..this election has no mandate for another referendum, that will happen later when the time is right, but all you moaners and groaners better get used to the idea that the break up of the UK is inevitable. Btw.. I am no SNP/YES voter or supporter, but I understand how things are and will be. Get your head around it!
How can it be inevitable when the majority of Scots that voted voted for Union?

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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IainT said:
exitwound said:
Nicola Sturgeon is correct at this time, ..this election has no mandate for another referendum, that will happen later when the time is right, but all you moaners and groaners better get used to the idea that the break up of the UK is inevitable. Btw.. I am no SNP/YES voter or supporter, but I understand how things are and will be. Get your head around it!
How can it be inevitable when the majority of Scots that voted voted for Union?
As the SNP have no intention of accepting the settled will of the scottish people

And they will keep asking for the settled will of the scottish people be respected until we give them the correct answer

The next referendum will be 2018/19

Investment will reduce in scotland and it will strengthen the case to leave the UK

Scotland is fked in the long term



arp1

583 posts

126 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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Remember wiggleturd, it is the will of the Scottish people that puts a party in power, and IF a referendum is in the Snp Holyrood manifesto and the Scottish people vote for it, then it's a goer, if they don't get in then a referendum is much less likely. Democracy.

jonny996

2,603 posts

216 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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Edinburger said:
Welshbeef said:
Anyone think that in Scotland we may see a repeat of the John Major silent victory style is all polls saying SNP going to destroy everyone but instead that doesn't materialise at all.
I think the Conservatives will do better than expected. Other parties' promises feel too similar and I think many people are tiring of the "anyone but the Tories" lines which we keep hearing.

Could be wrong but I think this will drive some people to vote Conservative.
Complete bks, I feel sorry for any tory supporter in Scotland. they have the choice of voting for what they believe in & risk getting the SNP forced on them OR tactilely voting Labour to keep the SNP out, at least with Labour they would still be in the UK.

barryrs

4,376 posts

222 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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arp1 said:
Remember wiggleturd, it is the will of the Scottish people that puts a party in power, and IF a referendum is in the Snp Holyrood manifesto and the Scottish people vote for it, then it's a goer, if they don't get in then a referendum is much less likely. Democracy.
Thats why SNP MP's will be working hard to divide the UK between the UK GE and the 2016 Scottish GE.

With a Labour/SNP coalition i expect 12 months of complete disruption to the UK which will help no one.

arp1

583 posts

126 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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And if they do a bad job at westminister why would they be voted in at Holyrood?

barryrs

4,376 posts

222 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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arp1 said:
And if they do a bad job at westminister why would they be voted in at Holyrood?
They have the ultimate get out clause.

Something like; its not our fault Scotland's voice is to small in Westminster or the Labour party prevented us from delivering for Scotland.

Failures at Westminster is exactly what the SNP want and will orchestrate in my view.

arp1

583 posts

126 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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Like I said though, if they have any 'voice' down there, and make a mess, they will not get voted in for a third term....

Ridgemont

6,488 posts

130 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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exitwound said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Edinburger said:
Ms Sturgeon on BBC Breakfast right now: "this election is certainly not about another independence. referendum".
It took less then 12 hours after they lost the referendum before they stated they wanted another chance

You might find yourself living in an independent scotland in a few weeks time if the loud mouthed idiots in the SNP ranks get their way

http://www.sott.net/article/287750-Scotland-may-un...
Not again.. Why is this so hard to take in?

For anyone who doesn't understand this yet, the SNP's prime function is to gain independence for Scotland. That's the only reason they exist!! Its their No.1 directive by any means and they simply will not stop until they achieve this.

For those who moan and groan when independence is mentioned again, they better get used to it as it will rear its head again in the near future. It doesn't matter what the vote was in the previous referendum, it will be voted on again and again until independence is finally achieved. Deal with it!!!

Once this has happened, then the SNP will be no more, ..game over, the Scottish Government will then have its own political parties for the Scots to vote for like any other government i.e. right, left, centre, green, monster raving loony or whatever etc etc..

Don't think for a minute that because the SNP is affecting Westminster politics that they won't be after independence anymore. Everything they do is focussed upon that single goal..

Nicola Sturgeon is correct at this time, ..this election has no mandate for another referendum, that will happen later when the time is right, but all you moaners and groaners better get used to the idea that the break up of the UK is inevitable. Btw.. I am no SNP/YES voter or supporter, but I understand how things are and will be. Get your head around it!
I don't think anyone is doubting the SNP's core mission.
We might be questioning their self declared right to speak for Scotland.. a movement that lost the referendum by 55% to 45%. And which only got a majority in 4 of the 32 districts during the referendum. And which only got 32% of the vote in Orkney (UDI for Orkney from Indy Scotland anyone?). And in fact only got 37% of the total electorate's vote. So when people blather about independence being 'inevitable', I'd suggest the reverse is true. It's eminently evitable. It does however require Unionists, and the *majority* of Scots to reorganise their political bodies to prevent a wilful undemocratic minority hijacking the will of the majority. Which we've yet to see any attempt to do.







SBDJ

1,320 posts

203 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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arp1 said:
Remember wiggleturd, it is the will of the Scottish people that puts a party in power, and IF a referendum is in the Snp Holyrood manifesto and the Scottish people vote for it, then it's a goer, if they don't get in then a referendum is much less likely. Democracy.
You can't have it both ways - we keep being told that not all SNP voters support independence, and that a vote for the SNP isn't a vote for another referendum.

Make your minds up!

Ridgemont

6,488 posts

130 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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arp1 said:
Remember wiggleturd, it is the will of the Scottish people that puts a party in power, and IF a referendum is in the Snp Holyrood manifesto and the Scottish people vote for it, then it's a goer, if they don't get in then a referendum is much less likely. Democracy.
Except, unless you are a SNPMentalist democracy doesn't work like that. If they somehow managed to get a majority in the Westminster election they might feel able to put a bill before parliament, to allow another referendum, but otherwise a Holyrood manifesto is just piss in the wind, as conducting a legally valid referendum is a Westminister competency. And unless Sturgeon does end up with Miliband's balls in her paw, it is highly unlikely that any Westminster leader would agree to rerun the 2012 Edinburgh Agreement. So Edinburger I think is correct. Please come back in 50 years.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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Ridgemont said:
Except, unless you are a SNPMentalist democracy doesn't work like that. If they somehow managed to get a majority in the Westminster election they might feel able to put a bill before parliament, to allow another referendum, but otherwise a Holyrood manifesto is just piss in the wind, as conducting a legally valid referendum is a Westminister competency. And unless Sturgeon does end up with Miliband's balls in her paw, it is highly unlikely that any Westminster leader would agree to rerun the 2012 Edinburgh Agreement. So Edinburger I think is correct. Please come back in 50 years.
Include rUK in the next vote hehe
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