Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
McWigglebum4th said:
Strocky said:
All for it, would give the greens a bigger voice in the UK and give the Tories a decent representation in an Independent Scotland
I thought all tory voters were to be killedOr are you one of the few nats that acknowledge that is almost 20% tory voters up here
In the Holyrood elections, the SNP & Labour absolutely smash the Tory representation (have less than 14% of the vote)
An absolute irrelevance of a party in Scotland
Votes % +/− Seats +/− Votes % +/− Seats +/− Total +/− %
SNP 902,915 45.39 +12.46 53 +32 876,421 44.04 +13.03 16 −9 69 +23 53.49
Labour 630,461 31.69 −0.45 15 −20 523,559 26.31 −2.85 22 +13 37 −7 28.68
Conservative 276,652 13.91 −2.69 3 −3 245,967 12.36 −1.55 12 −2 15 −5 11.63
Liberal Democrats 157,714 7.93 −8.25 2 −9 103,472 5.20 −6.10 3 −3 5 −12 3.88
McWigglebum4th said:
Strocky said:
Ruth Davison promised no more devolved powers for Holyrood in 2011 in her campaign to be the leader of the Scottish Tories, does that make her a lying scumbag with zero respect for the majority of Scottish Tory voters?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/87...
I was un aware that that english tory scum was prime minsterhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/87...
Oh wait
She lost
Strocky said:
Only in a UK GE (well not this one obviously)
In the Holyrood elections, the SNP & Labour absolutely smash the Tory representation (have less than 14% of the vote)
An absolute irrelevance of a party in Scotland
Votes % +/- Seats +/- Votes % +/- Seats +/- Total +/- %
SNP 902,915 45.39 +12.46 53 +32 876,421 44.04 +13.03 16 -9 69 +23 53.49
Labour 630,461 31.69 -0.45 15 -20 523,559 26.31 -2.85 22 +13 37 -7 28.68
Conservative 276,652 13.91 -2.69 3 -3 245,967 12.36 -1.55 12 -2 15 -5 11.63
Liberal Democrats 157,714 7.93 -8.25 2 -9 103,472 5.20 -6.10 3 -3 5 -12 3.88
And by the same measure you SNP st are completely irrelevant on the UK frontIn the Holyrood elections, the SNP & Labour absolutely smash the Tory representation (have less than 14% of the vote)
An absolute irrelevance of a party in Scotland
Votes % +/- Seats +/- Votes % +/- Seats +/- Total +/- %
SNP 902,915 45.39 +12.46 53 +32 876,421 44.04 +13.03 16 -9 69 +23 53.49
Labour 630,461 31.69 -0.45 15 -20 523,559 26.31 -2.85 22 +13 37 -7 28.68
Conservative 276,652 13.91 -2.69 3 -3 245,967 12.36 -1.55 12 -2 15 -5 11.63
Liberal Democrats 157,714 7.93 -8.25 2 -9 103,472 5.20 -6.10 3 -3 5 -12 3.88
Do you not get it
You cannot demand an extra 180 billion a year spending in the UK with less then 5% of the votes
Strocky said:
Nope she won the Scottish Tory leaders election against Murdo Fraser and promised no more devolved powers for Holyrood, so she lied to get into power, so by your logic......
But we know us english scum lieYou superior scots never lie
You are the master race
We are weak crappy scared pieces of dirt on your shoes
But we still beat you
We still have ruled you for 300 years
You will get your independence
You will never ever ever get your freedom or wealth
McWigglebum4th said:
Strocky said:
What burden?Oh yeah you believe you can spend all the oil money on food banks, spend it a 2nd time on free education, a 3rd time on health, a 4th time on the worlds highest dole and then put it all in a savings account
If the SNP promised not to send a penny of the oil money and run a balanced budget i would support them
Edited by McWigglebum4th on Wednesday 29th April 19:18
So what should an iS they do with the oil money?
McWigglebum4th said:
And by the same measure you SNP st are completely irrelevant on the UK front
Do you not get it
You cannot demand an extra 180 billion a year spending in the UK with less then 5% of the votes
It's £140Bn wiggles, if I've told you a million times don't exaggerate Do you not get it
You cannot demand an extra 180 billion a year spending in the UK with less then 5% of the votes
The Tory economic plan for the next 5 years was slammed by the IFS as the one with the biggest funding gap of all the parties and a Nobel winning economist has just torpedoed "austerity economics" as a flawed concept, looks like the SNP plan is the sensible course for a country coming out of recession, but if you'd rather let your hatred for the SNP cloud your judgement about the best economic plan for the country......
Strocky said:
Only in a UK GE (well not this one obviously)
In the Holyrood elections, the SNP & Labour absolutely smash the Tory representation (have less than 14% of the vote)
An absolute irrelevance of a party in Scotland
Votes % +/- Seats +/- Votes % +/- Seats +/- Total +/- %
SNP 902,915 45.39 +12.46 53 +32 876,421 44.04 +13.03 16 -9 69 +23 53.49
Labour 630,461 31.69 -0.45 15 -20 523,559 26.31 -2.85 22 +13 37 -7 28.68
Conservative 276,652 13.91 -2.69 3 -3 245,967 12.36 -1.55 12 -2 15 -5 11.63
Liberal Democrats 157,714 7.93 -8.25 2 -9 103,472 5.20 -6.10 3 -3 5 -12 3.88
How do the SNP do in Scotland's oil producing constituencies? In the Holyrood elections, the SNP & Labour absolutely smash the Tory representation (have less than 14% of the vote)
An absolute irrelevance of a party in Scotland
Votes % +/- Seats +/- Votes % +/- Seats +/- Total +/- %
SNP 902,915 45.39 +12.46 53 +32 876,421 44.04 +13.03 16 -9 69 +23 53.49
Labour 630,461 31.69 -0.45 15 -20 523,559 26.31 -2.85 22 +13 37 -7 28.68
Conservative 276,652 13.91 -2.69 3 -3 245,967 12.36 -1.55 12 -2 15 -5 11.63
Liberal Democrats 157,714 7.93 -8.25 2 -9 103,472 5.20 -6.10 3 -3 5 -12 3.88
Strocky said:
McWigglebum4th said:
And by the same measure you SNP st are completely irrelevant on the UK front
Do you not get it
You cannot demand an extra 180 billion a year spending in the UK with less then 5% of the votes
It's £140Bn wiggles, if I've told you a million times don't exaggerate Do you not get it
You cannot demand an extra 180 billion a year spending in the UK with less then 5% of the votes
The Tory economic plan for the next 5 years was slammed by the IFS as the one with the biggest funding gap of all the parties and a Nobel winning economist has just torpedoed "austerity economics" as a flawed concept, looks like the SNP plan is the sensible course for a country coming out of recession, but if you'd rather let your hatred for the SNP cloud your judgement about the best economic plan for the country......
Strocky said:
So let me get my head round this, your happy for the Westminster government to spend all the oil money and run a large defecit but not a Scottish Government doing the same?
So what should an iS they do with the oil money?
Yes. We went over this ad nauseam last year. UK spunking the oil money only makes up a few % of national income, it's an irrelevance if the income tax take is a bit higher than expected or the money turns up from elsewhere. Added to that the UK still has a reserve currency which gives it substantial leeway to run a deficit, which is how nobody tried to call in our loans even though we were deeper into the hole than Greece.So what should an iS they do with the oil money?
For an independent Scotland it's a huge proportion of national income and spunking that and then running a deficit will get you into a similar position to Greece very quickly. Being part of a large and economically powerful country does have some benefits, you know.
Strocky said:
simoid said:
UKIP man coming across well on BBC Scotland with Jackie Bird... IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.
I can see why he resonates with your good selfhttp://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/ukip-...
jonny996 said:
Edinburger said:
Welshbeef said:
Anyone think that in Scotland we may see a repeat of the John Major silent victory style is all polls saying SNP going to destroy everyone but instead that doesn't materialise at all.
I think the Conservatives will do better than expected. Other parties' promises feel too similar and I think many people are tiring of the "anyone but the Tories" lines which we keep hearing. Could be wrong but I think this will drive some people to vote Conservative.
I'll just leave this here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB2lwWrdIRY
simoid said:
Strocky said:
simoid said:
UKIP man coming across well on BBC Scotland with Jackie Bird... IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.
I can see why he resonates with your good selfhttp://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/ukip-...
nightcruiser said:
jonny996 said:
Edinburger said:
Welshbeef said:
Anyone think that in Scotland we may see a repeat of the John Major silent victory style is all polls saying SNP going to destroy everyone but instead that doesn't materialise at all.
I think the Conservatives will do better than expected. Other parties' promises feel too similar and I think many people are tiring of the "anyone but the Tories" lines which we keep hearing. Could be wrong but I think this will drive some people to vote Conservative.
I'll just leave this here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB2lwWrdIRY
Rollin said:
Strocky said:
McWigglebum4th said:
And by the same measure you SNP st are completely irrelevant on the UK front
Do you not get it
You cannot demand an extra 180 billion a year spending in the UK with less then 5% of the votes
It's £140Bn wiggles, if I've told you a million times don't exaggerate Do you not get it
You cannot demand an extra 180 billion a year spending in the UK with less then 5% of the votes
The Tory economic plan for the next 5 years was slammed by the IFS as the one with the biggest funding gap of all the parties and a Nobel winning economist has just torpedoed "austerity economics" as a flawed concept, looks like the SNP plan is the sensible course for a country coming out of recession, but if you'd rather let your hatred for the SNP cloud your judgement about the best economic plan for the country......
davepoth said:
Strocky said:
So let me get my head round this, your happy for the Westminster government to spend all the oil money and run a large defecit but not a Scottish Government doing the same?
So what should an iS they do with the oil money?
Yes. We went over this ad nauseam last year. UK spunking the oil money only makes up a few % of national income, it's an irrelevance if the income tax take is a bit higher than expected or the money turns up from elsewhere. Added to that the UK still has a reserve currency which gives it substantial leeway to run a deficit, which is how nobody tried to call in our loans even though we were deeper into the hole than Greece.So what should an iS they do with the oil money?
For an independent Scotland it's a huge proportion of national income and spunking that and then running a deficit will get you into a similar position to Greece very quickly. Being part of a large and economically powerful country does have some benefits, you know.
Welshbeef said:
Strocky said:
Rollin said:
How do the SNP do in Scotland's oil producing constituencies?
Not badly enough to stop them having a majority in HolyroodIt uses both FPTP and the additional member system which allows 2nd choice candidates to be elected via a list selection
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/visitandlearn/Ed...
Strocky said:
Define huge, in numbers please
819If you squint a bit.
But I digress. If you take the 8.3% vs. 9.4% numbers and subtract the difference, roughly 13% of Scotland's economy would be oil revenue, based on last year's prices. That doesn't take into account the associated industries, so I would guess somewhere around 15%. It's about 1.2% for the UK as a whole. Oil has dropped by 50%; the UK could take that in its stride as it's only a 0.6% drop in revenue, but it would have left a 7.5% hole in a Scottish economy this year.
To put it another way, Scotland would be fked.
Edited by davepoth on Wednesday 29th April 22:38
Strocky said:
Rollin said:
Strocky said:
McWigglebum4th said:
And by the same measure you SNP st are completely irrelevant on the UK front
Do you not get it
You cannot demand an extra 180 billion a year spending in the UK with less then 5% of the votes
It's £140Bn wiggles, if I've told you a million times don't exaggerate Do you not get it
You cannot demand an extra 180 billion a year spending in the UK with less then 5% of the votes
The Tory economic plan for the next 5 years was slammed by the IFS as the one with the biggest funding gap of all the parties and a Nobel winning economist has just torpedoed "austerity economics" as a flawed concept, looks like the SNP plan is the sensible course for a country coming out of recession, but if you'd rather let your hatred for the SNP cloud your judgement about the best economic plan for the country......
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