Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Dinoboy said:
So as a Scottish voter who said No to independence, who should I vote for next Thursday?
Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
You 'get the government you vote for'......or maybe not Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
"Fairness" and "Democracy" in action....
Dinoboy said:
So as a Scottish voter who said No to independence, who should I vote for next Thursday?
Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
Vote for who you think will do the best job running the UK. That's what I'm going for, and I think it's the Tories. There's more chance of me getting elected than my local Tory boy, but I might as well vote for the losing side.Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
Perhaps I could start a group on facebook: #the17 or something!
Dinoboy said:
So as a Scottish voter who said No to independence, who should I vote for next Thursday?
Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
Do what I'll likely do. Vote Labour to keep the SNP out your seat. The fewer seats the SNP win lessens the amount of noise they can make (although they'll still make plenty).Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
We're getting the choice of Labour or SNP and Labour. Much as I despise Labour and Miliband I despise the SNP more.
The thought of Sturgeon throwing her weight around and making demands after winning 50+ seats boils my piss.
technodup said:
Dinoboy said:
So as a Scottish voter who said No to independence, who should I vote for next Thursday?
Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
Do what I'll likely do. Vote Labour to keep the SNP out your seat. The fewer seats the SNP win lessens the amount of noise they can make (although they'll still make plenty).Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
We're getting the choice of Labour or SNP and Labour. Much as I despise Labour and Miliband I despise the SNP more.
The thought of Sturgeon throwing her weight around and making demands after winning 50+ seats boils my piss.
el stovey said:
Why not just vote for who you actually want to win?
Coz then you might get who you really REALLY don't want to win, instead of who you really don't!Do you think we could start a campaign to persuade any non-snp person in a non-snp seat to vote to keep their present MP?
Dinoboy said:
So as a Scottish voter who said No to independence, who should I vote for next Thursday?
Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
I'd go with whatever the closest Unionist party is (probably labour or Lib Dem?). At the end of the day I suspect if this carries on, there'll have to be a realignment of the parties in order to provide a viable unionist alternative to the SNP, but in the meantime I guess we're going to see an awful lot of tactical voting.. voting labour makes sense if they manage to hang on to enough seats to avoid going cap in hand to Sturgeon. Of course that scenario it probably means Ed Miliband has got an overall majority and we're all fVoting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
ked, but at this point in time there are no good outcomes.el stovey said:
Why not just vote for who you actually want to win?
Because that would be the Tories and I stay in Glasgow (I know, the SNP would have it that people like me don't exist). We do exist but not in enough concentrated numbers to win seats. So next best option is to vote to keep the worst out, which is the SNP. The only option to do that is Labour.But I might just go Tory as per then I'm able to say it wisnae me, when the Ed and Nicola show all goes to s
t.Either way t's a depressing prospect.
simoid said:
Dinoboy said:
So as a Scottish voter who said No to independence, who should I vote for next Thursday?
Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
Vote for who you think will do the best job running the UK. That's what I'm going for, and I think it's the Tories. There's more chance of me getting elected than my local Tory boy, but I might as well vote for the losing side.Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
Perhaps I could start a group on facebook: #the17 or something!
simoid said:
Talk of nationalist and unionist parties worries me 
Don't get me wrong: it's a st development, but unless FPTP is reconsidered (which might be a good thing) all that's happening is that the Scots majority is being hijacked by a very united minority. That's got to be an even worse outcome for democracy?Big Rod said:
Funk said:
So that's just completely nuked any business investment in Scotland for another 18 months at least.
Well done, SNP. Well done.
Fixed that for you! Well done, SNP. Well done.
Garvin said:
Not really. It will be Scottish people voting the SNP into power so the original "well done, Scotland, well done" is quite correct.
No, it will be FPTP allowing a minority of Scottish people to vote the SNP into power. The SNP do not speak for all, or even a majority, of Scots.Big Rod said:
simoid said:
Dinoboy said:
So as a Scottish voter who said No to independence, who should I vote for next Thursday?
Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
Vote for who you think will do the best job running the UK. That's what I'm going for, and I think it's the Tories. There's more chance of me getting elected than my local Tory boy, but I might as well vote for the losing side.Voting for labour may result in their forming a coalition with the SNP. Tories don't stand a chance up here. What to do.
Perhaps I could start a group on facebook: #the17 or something!
It's funny actually. Here in Glasgow I don't think I've ever seen a "Vote Conservatives" flyer anywhere, ever. Then last weekend on a trip through Dunoon, I saw loads. It really jumped out at me how little presence they have in the city.
I'm prepared to grit my teeth and watch the SNP swan into this bulls
t coalition. My highest hope is they make a complete arse of it and that Labour and the SNP are both harmed. We have said all through this thread that they were already way out of their depth running a referendum in their own country - I just hope that comes true (that 20yo in Paisley surely is going to get crucified at some point). Do many parties come off looking better after a few years in government than when they went in?So many of the Nats in my newsfeed are getting their knickers in a twist because of how much the English press are condeming a part-Scot government, asking "Why did you want us to stay in the referendum but want nothing to do with us now" (in typically more colourful language) but they are failing to see that its not the "Scottish" part of the SNP name that they are opposed to, but more the polarity of their views on how the UK should operate.
Greedydog said:
Garvin said:
Not really. It will be Scottish people voting the SNP into power so the original "well done, Scotland, well done" is quite correct.
No, it will be FPTP allowing a minority of Scottish people to vote the SNP into power. The SNP do not speak for all, or even a majority, of Scots.Garvin said:
If that majority get off their arses and vote then the SNP will not achieve the number of seats anywhere near the current predictions and relative calm will once again descend upon Scotland. It is, therefore, down to the Scottish people and it matters not what the majority want, they will still be culpable due to their apathy if they don't turn out on 7th May!
SNP could easily win all the seats even if all the no voters and more vote against them, eg:SNP 40%
Labour 30%
Tories 15%
Libdem 15%
or whatever in every seat.
barryrs said:
Would our resident nats have voted yes to a Scottish Tory plan for independence based on a low tax and low government interference basis?
My gut feeling is yes they would as the core issue remains; that being independence whereas political parties come and go.
I certainly would have.My gut feeling is yes they would as the core issue remains; that being independence whereas political parties come and go.
I'd rather not keep any vestige of the UK; my preference would be for a strictly secular republic with a non-executive president and its own currency.
Garvin said:
Greedydog said:
Garvin said:
Not really. It will be Scottish people voting the SNP into power so the original "well done, Scotland, well done" is quite correct.
No, it will be FPTP allowing a minority of Scottish people to vote the SNP into power. The SNP do not speak for all, or even a majority, of Scots.Garvin said:
If that majority get off their arses and vote then the SNP will not achieve the number of seats anywhere near the current predictions and relative calm will once again descend upon Scotland. It is, therefore, down to the Scottish people and it matters not what the majority want, they will still be culpable due to their apathy if they don't turn out on 7th May!
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