Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
fluffnik said:
barryrs said:
Would our resident nats have voted yes to a Scottish Tory plan for independence based on a low tax and low government interference basis?
My gut feeling is yes they would as the core issue remains; that being independence whereas political parties come and go.
I certainly would have.My gut feeling is yes they would as the core issue remains; that being independence whereas political parties come and go.
I'd rather not keep any vestige of the UK; my preference would be for a strictly secular republic with a non-executive president and its own currency.
fluffnik said:
Garvin said:
If that majority get off their arses and vote then the SNP will not achieve the number of seats anywhere near the current predictions and relative calm will once again descend upon Scotland. It is, therefore, down to the Scottish people and it matters not what the majority want, they will still be culpable due to their apathy if they don't turn out on 7th May!
The SNP are now the majority, they've been polling consistently over 50% for the last week or so and are set to take all 59 seats. 
Edinburger said:
fluffnik said:
barryrs said:
Would our resident nats have voted yes to a Scottish Tory plan for independence based on a low tax and low government interference basis?
My gut feeling is yes they would as the core issue remains; that being independence whereas political parties come and go.
I certainly would have.My gut feeling is yes they would as the core issue remains; that being independence whereas political parties come and go.
I'd rather not keep any vestige of the UK; my preference would be for a strictly secular republic with a non-executive president and its own currency.
Edinburger said:
fluffnik said:
The SNP are now the majority, they've been polling consistently over 50% for the last week or so and are set to take all 59 seats.
If the SNP do get ~50% of the vote and they do take all of the seats, it shows that there's something fundamentally wrong with the electoral system in this country....it does however amuse me just how comprehensively the established fixers, who it's meant to serve, are going to get f
ked over by it. 
I think that, thanks to the wide range of voting systems used, we Scots are quite good at gaming the system...
Ms Sturgeon on BBC1 Scotland just said she doesn't see another independence referendum in next ten years (timeline from audience member's question).
No proposal for a second referendum unless something material changes eg rUK leaving Europe, she said.
No voter who is also a SNP voter just spoke up too.
So there's two recent claims on this thread blown!
Good questions being asked.
No proposal for a second referendum unless something material changes eg rUK leaving Europe, she said.
No voter who is also a SNP voter just spoke up too.
So there's two recent claims on this thread blown!
Good questions being asked.
Funk said:
So that's just completely nuked any business investment in Scotland for another 18 months at least.
Well done, Scotland. Well done.
Indeed. I wonder what the termination clauses on this look like.Well done, Scotland. Well done.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-busin...
Could you find out with an FOI request I wonder?
I'm becoming convinced that the Nationalists in Scotland are on a path where they have to actually prove that their empty "blame the others" rhetoric is just that and let the voters see that there is no promised magic money tree to plug their deficit or stop a disastrous toxic mix of tax rises, welfare cuts and a drain of business from Scotland before everyone says "hang on a minute this is boll*cks, can we have the union back please?".
Edited by ///ajd on Thursday 30th April 21:57
Mojocvh said:
Edinburger said:
She just said "Even if the SNP win every seat in Scotland next week - that us not a mandate for another referendum".
And the theme that is most consistent is....Politicians LIE.
Rollin said:
Funny, the history doesn't mention their interesting antics & policies in the 1940s. Good to see Milliband say "F off" to the SNP tonight. I trust he means it.
johnxjsc1985 said:
///ajd said:
Funny, the history doesn't mention their interesting antics & policies in the 1940s.
Good to see Milliband say "F off" to the SNP tonight. I trust he means it.
you missed the rear shot of him with his fingers crossed as he said it so it doesnt countGood to see Milliband say "F off" to the SNP tonight. I trust he means it.
And that I guarantee is what Miliband will say.
Edinburger said:
She just said "Even if the SNP win every seat in Scotland next week - that us not a mandate for another referendum".
If she holds her line in her conference, and subsequent manifesto for the 2016 Holyrood elections then I will accept she is a woman of principle. OTOH with Sillars on maneuvers I fully expect to see referendum back on the cards next year, not least because I suspect that the huge figures the SNP are polling are unsustainable without some red meat.Northern Munkee said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
///ajd said:
Funny, the history doesn't mention their interesting antics & policies in the 1940s.
Good to see Milliband say "F off" to the SNP tonight. I trust he means it.
you missed the rear shot of him with his fingers crossed as he said it so it doesnt countGood to see Milliband say "F off" to the SNP tonight. I trust he means it.
And that I guarantee is what Miliband will say.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/...
If you think about it - how will they make labour borrow €180Bn? Threaten to side with the Tories if they don't get their way? That'll work.
Threaten Labour that they will side with the Tories on trident if Labour won't cancel it. Can you see the flaw yet?
They could try and stop any westminster government doing anything. That'll come across well! This could their downfall with some luck, and Scots will see the pointlessness of electing a divisive shouty aggressive 'we can't actually work with anyone' muppet show.
///ajd said:
Funny, the history doesn't mention their interesting antics & policies in the 1940s.
Good to see Milliband say "F off" to the SNP tonight. I trust he means it.
I'm totally against labour and always will be but I'm taking him on his word and I really respect that - I'd hope Cameron would do exactly the same in similar situation
Previously I though him a worthless toe rag - on this statement alone he got my attention good for you Ed. that's the hard choice putting the greater good ahead of oneself.
Clegg too great to se him battling his own voter stating he would look to try to form a coalition of it were needed with the largest seat party as that is the settled will of the country. Like it or not that's what we as voters have said to our parliment.
Good to see Milliband say "F off" to the SNP tonight. I trust he means it.
I'm totally against labour and always will be but I'm taking him on his word and I really respect that - I'd hope Cameron would do exactly the same in similar situation
Previously I though him a worthless toe rag - on this statement alone he got my attention good for you Ed. that's the hard choice putting the greater good ahead of oneself.
Clegg too great to se him battling his own voter stating he would look to try to form a coalition of it were needed with the largest seat party as that is the settled will of the country. Like it or not that's what we as voters have said to our parliment.
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Passed Michael Connarty campaigning earlier on (a local Labour MP). Gave him a friendly "toot toot" so I've done my bit - where he was he's probably been getting abuse all day from SNPists
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