Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
///ajd said:
Because there's no anti-social behaviour in England, right? 
Edinburger said:
Wiggiy's gone quiet since the revelation that another referendum isn't on the cards next week?!
The Scottish nazi party will have it back on the cards soon enough and wiggies list will still be very accurate, even your special self was unable to add anything that wasn't party political.Strocky said:
Not really, I agree with the vast majority of their core policies but I'm not goin to spite my nose because of a few things I don't agree with
Do you agree with every Tory policy?
Or is there a red line policy for you?
What's the Tories got to do with anything?Do you agree with every Tory policy?
Or is there a red line policy for you?
Edited by Strocky on Saturday 2nd May 12:52
Edinburger said:
NoNeed said:
The Scottish nazi party will have it back on the cards soon enough and wiggies list will still be very accurate, even your special self was unable to add anything that wasn't party political.
Nice to see you popping back with your gutless remarks. 
Strocky said:
///ajd said:
Your irrational hatred will consume youOn the other hand, as a fully signed up nationalist, your hatred of 'those to blame for your woes, has - by definition - already consumed you.
Edinburger said:
NoNeed said:
The Scottish nazi party will have it back on the cards soon enough and wiggies list will still be very accurate, even your special self was unable to add anything that wasn't party political.
Nice to see you popping back with your gutless remarks. Gutless is for those that can't tell the people that they can't have what it can't afford, or SNP politicians for short.
simoid said:
Pointless since nationalism should be dead and buried.
Why?I may be stuck with the UKofGB&NI for the next few years, but I don't like it any more than I did on the 18th September last.
Since I'm stuck with it meantime, I'm inclined to put some effort into ridding the UK of some of its more odious features, such as the Monarchy, House of Lords, Nuclear Weapons, etc...
fluffnik said:
Why?
I may be stuck with the UKofGB&NI for the next few years, but I don't like it any more than I did on the 18th September last.
Since I'm stuck with it meantime, I'm inclined to put some effort into ridding the UK of some of its more odious features, such as the Monarchy, House of Lords, Nuclear Weapons, etc...
How? Settled will of the UK is massively against what your efforts are intended to be put into. I may be stuck with the UKofGB&NI for the next few years, but I don't like it any more than I did on the 18th September last.
Since I'm stuck with it meantime, I'm inclined to put some effort into ridding the UK of some of its more odious features, such as the Monarchy, House of Lords, Nuclear Weapons, etc...
fluffnik said:
simoid said:
Pointless since nationalism should be dead and buried.
Why?I may be stuck with the UKofGB&NI for the next few years, but I don't like it any more than I did on the 18th September last.
Since I'm stuck with it meantime, I'm inclined to put some effort into ridding the UK of some of its more odious features, such as the Monarchy, House of Lords, Nuclear Weapons, etc...
It has worked in the past, with rather unfotunate effects.
I see no evidence it will be anything other than divisive with the SNP.
That's why nationalism never leads to anything good; the lesson should have been learned now.
Ever wondered why people call them the Scottish Nasty Party? No smoke without fire.
IainT said:
Edinburger said:
If the SNP do get ~50% of the vote and they do take all of the seats, it shows that there's something fundamentally wrong with the electoral system in this country.
You can bet that the SNP will drop their desire for PR live a live grenade.IainT said:
I'd actually gain some respect for them if they don't and you do have to admire the fact that Sturgeon actually seems to be real even if her politics are unreal. Clegg, Milliband and Cameron don't connect with real people.
It would be political suicide for Nicola and the SNP to support FPTP.Indeed, PR - either STV or AM - is joint favourite with abolishing the HoL to be the SNP expeditionary force's first constitutional project at Westminster...
///ajd said:
fluffnik said:
I may be stuck with the UKofGB&NI for the next few years, but I don't like it any more than I did on the 18th September last.
Since I'm stuck with it meantime, I'm inclined to put some effort into ridding the UK of some of its more odious features, such as the Monarchy, House of Lords, Nuclear Weapons, etc...
Nationalism is usually just blaming others for your own misfortune, and stirring up ill feeling about it to get people wound up.Since I'm stuck with it meantime, I'm inclined to put some effort into ridding the UK of some of its more odious features, such as the Monarchy, House of Lords, Nuclear Weapons, etc...
I consider monarchy and all its associated feudalism and theocracy to be utterly, utterly morally indefensible, ditto imperialism.
I might well be quite happy with Scotland being part of a (strictly secular) Federal Republic of Britain, though I see no advantage over being a Land in a Bundesrepublik Europa...
fluffnik said:
IainT said:
Edinburger said:
If the SNP do get ~50% of the vote and they do take all of the seats, it shows that there's something fundamentally wrong with the electoral system in this country.
You can bet that the SNP will drop their desire for PR live a live grenade.IainT said:
I'd actually gain some respect for them if they don't and you do have to admire the fact that Sturgeon actually seems to be real even if her politics are unreal. Clegg, Milliband and Cameron don't connect with real people.
It would be political suicide for Nicola and the SNP to support FPTP.Indeed, PR - either STV or AM - is joint favourite with abolishing the HoL to be the SNP expeditionary force's first constitutional project at Westminster...
Problem is that the nationalists won't be able to stop themselves from describing any minor interaction as a 'victory for Scotland!'.
barryrs said:
Quick question fluff and without derailing the topic too much but what do you find so offensive about the monarchy?
I really don't get it.
A less than exhaustive list:I really don't get it.
- The whole "Divine Right" schtick
- Hereditary office
- Above the Law
- All the associated feudal structures such as the House of Lords
fluffnik said:
simoid said:
Pointless since nationalism should be dead and buried.
Why?I may be stuck with the UKofGB&NI for the next few years, but I don't like it any more than I did on the 18th September last.
Since I'm stuck with it meantime, I'm inclined to put some effort into ridding the UK of some of its more odious features, such as the Monarchy, House of Lords, Nuclear Weapons, etc...
The prospect of ever asking again damages both out countries and the lives of the people therein. You should put up and shut up. Anything else is selfish.
simoid said:
We were asked if we wanted independence; we said NO THANKS very clearly.
The prospect of ever asking again damages both out countries and the lives of the people therein. You should put up and shut up. Anything else is selfish.
Not sure I would say a single digit percentage is 'very clearly' and that kind of figure is 'very clearly' ripe for a swing. It wouldn't take more than some crass or ill advised comment from Milliband or Cameron caught on tape.The prospect of ever asking again damages both out countries and the lives of the people therein. You should put up and shut up. Anything else is selfish.
MissChief said:
Not sure I would say a single digit percentage is 'very clearly' and that kind of figure is 'very clearly' ripe for a swing. It wouldn't take more than some crass or ill advised comment from Milliband or Cameron caught on tape.
It was very clearly a no vote. There was nothing unclear in the outcome of our once in a lifetime opportunity to leave the UK.It shouldn't matter if it's "ripe for a swing" because the question should never be asked until we're all dead.
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