Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Rick_1138]

Strocky said:

They would have to, it would be voted on by the membership and be in black and white

Bolded Part:

Exactly, the SNP party MEMBERS. yes these are the public BUT they are not the 'general' public.

So again, this will be the party faithfull and the SNP deciding what is going to happen for the rest of us.

To do it in a totally fair manner, they need to have a referendum on if we should have another 'referendum'

I.e. they need a yes no as to whether we should do it all over again.

In no way do the SNP want to give the second eferendum decision out to the public who last time around told them to go away to the tune of 400,000 more voting scots!

[NoNeed]

The Scottish nazi party, to them the English are the new Jews but they still don't like jews.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3066692/Nicola-shiny-new-face-SNP-nationalism-ugly-pal-s-bloody-nose-proves.html

[NoNeed]

[Axionknight]

Get away.

[andymadmak]

NoNeed said:

Don't tell em Pike!

[Strocky]

Garvin said:

Strocky said:

Garvin said:

Strocky said:

If the SNP win a majority in Holyrood 2016, would you then accept it's then fair and democratic if another referendum is held?

If they campaign very openly in the run up to that election that this is what they will do and when, then yes.

They would have to, it would be voted on by the membership and be in black and white

Of course, it isn't just up to them whether a referendum is held though is it!!

We seem to be in agreeance

[simoid]

Strocky said:

simoid said:

Strocky said:

Not really, I agree with the vast majority of their core policies but I'm not goin to spite my nose because of a few things I don't agree with

Do you agree with every Tory policy?

Or is there a red line policy for you?

Edited by Strocky on Saturday 2nd May 12:52

What's the Tories got to do with anything?

I assumed you are a Tory voter?

I'm a floating voter. We were talking about membership of parties and I'm not a Tory party member.

So it looks to me like the SNP could be doing much better to represent their members' political interests if they buried their constitutional hatchet and split their lefty and righty ways.

[Strocky]

Rick_1138 said:

Strocky said:

They would have to, it would be voted on by the membership and be in black and white

Bolded Part:

Exactly, the SNP party MEMBERS. yes these are the public BUT they are not the 'general' public.

So again, this will be the party faithfull and the SNP deciding what is going to happen for the rest of us.

To do it in a totally fair manner, they need to have a referendum on if we should have another 'referendum'

I.e. they need a yes no as to whether we should do it all over again.

In no way do the SNP want to give the second eferendum decision out to the public who last time around told them to go away to the tune of 400,000 more voting scots!

You do know that the Scottish electorate have a choice in the 2016 Holyrood election?

IF the SNP do want another referendum and a Scottish voter doesn't want one, then they don't vote SNP to stop the SNP getting a majority in Holyrood thus no referendum question

Even say enough people vote SNP to get the SNP get a majority in Holyrood, they still have to

a) convince Westminster to agree to another ref
b) gain a 10% swing from last year to win a referendum

It's highly unlikely all of the above will happen in the next 5/10 years, so you can stop soiling your panties at the thought

[fluffnik]

NoNeed said:

fluffnik said:

NoNeed said:

How do you make them all "renounce" titles?

Perhaps by criminalising any claim to abolished titles.

If they prefer jail and massive fines, so be it.

(all the "K" should go too)

I thought you wanted to re-create Norway in Scotlamd? they still have a monarchy.

No, my preference is for a Finnish or Swiss style constitution, as mentioned more than once in this thread.

NoNeed said:

and what's K?

Knighthoods

NoNeed said:

Also how do you legally abolish a title when a law to do that needs royal assent?

There are many successful examples in history, I prefer the non-lethal methods.

[Strocky]

NoNeed said:

The Scottish nazi party, to them the English are the new Jews but they still don't like jews.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3066692/Nicola-shiny-new-face-SNP-nationalism-ugly-pal-s-bloody-nose-proves.html

Away and have a lie down, there's a good chap

[simoid]

Strocky said:

You do know that the Scottish electorate have a choice in the 2016 Holyrood election?

IF the SNP do want another referendum and a Scottish voter doesn't want one, then they don't vote SNP to stop the SNP getting a majority in Holyrood thus no referendum question

Even say enough people vote SNP to get the SNP get a majority in Holyrood, they still have to

a) convince Westminster to agree to another ref
b) gain a 10% swing from last year to win a referendum

It's highly unlikely all of the above will happen in the next 5/10 years, so you can stop soiling your panties at the thought

So basically you're saying the 2016 election would be an independence referendum referendum? What happened to all the people that vote SNP but don't want independence...?

[NoNeed]

Strocky said:

Away and have a lie down, there's a good chap

NoNeed to.

[Strocky]

simoid said:

Strocky said:

You do know that the Scottish electorate have a choice in the 2016 Holyrood election?

IF the SNP do want another referendum and a Scottish voter doesn't want one, then they don't vote SNP to stop the SNP getting a majority in Holyrood thus no referendum question

Even say enough people vote SNP to get the SNP get a majority in Holyrood, they still have to

a) convince Westminster to agree to another ref
b) gain a 10% swing from last year to win a referendum

It's highly unlikely all of the above will happen in the next 5/10 years, so you can stop soiling your panties at the thought

So basically you're saying the 2016 election would be an independence referendum referendum? What happened to all the people that vote SNP but don't want independence...?

They shouldnt vote SNP or that's what will happen, it's not rocket science

A Holyrood GE will have different voting patterns in Scotland than a UK GE
The nawbags can have a risk free punt on the SNP doing something for Scotland in an UK GE, then revert back to retaining the Union, selfless sorts so they are

[Rick_1138]

Im not a fan of Jim Murphy but this was uncalled for tbh.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3067268/Ji...

[gofasterrosssco]

Strocky said:

The nawbags can have a risk free punt on the SNP doing something for Scotland in an UK GE, then revert back to retaining the Union, selfless sorts so they are

Yeah, sure. A GE vote for the SNP is the risk-free option..

I think you need to learn the difference between party rhetoric and political reality and stop spouting the same stuff the SNP have.

As the party who's central aim is the break up of the UK, any sensible person must realise a vote for them in any election is partly an endorsement of their policies, whether directly on specific policies, or indirectly through legitimisation of their policies. Its not rocket science..

[johnxjsc1985]

Jim Murphy is not a glaswegian is he. I cannot believe anyone from Glasgow would allow anyone with in that close a proximity without sticking the head in very poor show.
Nice to see Labour have Eddie izzard and Russel Brand on side though.

[Twilkes]

Rick_1138 said:

Im not a fan of Jim Murphy but this was uncalled for tbh.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3067268/Ji...

I'd love to know who the guy in the white jacket is:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/04/15/284C8...

And also, what unfortunate timing for a photo - almost as if it was intentional....

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/04/16/284CC...

[simoid]

Strocky said:

simoid said:

Strocky said:

You do know that the Scottish electorate have a choice in the 2016 Holyrood election?

IF the SNP do want another referendum and a Scottish voter doesn't want one, then they don't vote SNP to stop the SNP getting a majority in Holyrood thus no referendum question

Even say enough people vote SNP to get the SNP get a majority in Holyrood, they still have to

a) convince Westminster to agree to another ref
b) gain a 10% swing from last year to win a referendum

It's highly unlikely all of the above will happen in the next 5/10 years, so you can stop soiling your panties at the thought

So basically you're saying the 2016 election would be an independence referendum referendum? What happened to all the people that vote SNP but don't want independence...?

They shouldnt vote SNP or that's what will happen, it's not rocket science

A Holyrood GE will have different voting patterns in Scotland than a UK GE
The nawbags can have a risk free punt on the SNP doing something for Scotland in an UK GE, then revert back to retaining the Union, selfless sorts so they are

So one shouldn't vote for the SNP, even if you agree with all their other policies, unless you want independence.

And therein lies the problem. Independence casting a massive shadow over our politics when it shouldn't even be taking up the time of anyone but modern historians.

[wc98]

Rick_1138 said:

Im not a fan of Jim Murphy but this was uncalled for tbh.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3067268/Ji...

utterly disgraceful behaviour ,they should be ashamed of themselves . exactly the same carry on in kirkcaldy today. at least in this instance the snp have attempted to distance themselves from the clowns, unlike salmonds stance when the same happened to farage. makes me ashamed to be a scot when things like this happen ,and makes some of the opinions toward us on here seem justified.

[Strocky]

wc98 said:

Rick_1138 said:

Im not a fan of Jim Murphy but this was uncalled for tbh.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3067268/Ji...

utterly disgraceful behaviour ,they should be ashamed of themselves . exactly the same carry on in kirkcaldy today. at least in this instance the snp have attempted to distance themselves from the clowns, unlike salmonds stance when the same happened to farage. makes me ashamed to be a scot when things like this happen ,and makes some of the opinions toward us on here seem justified.

You do know that it was 4 half wits who aren't SNP members, who have previous for protesting Labour events who caused the stooshie?

alex thomson ‏@alextomo
Photographer to JM today " Jim why do you out yourself through this? Answer: it's seriously effective

alex thomson @alextomo
Protesters told me they are not SNP members but "people of Glasgow" and "working class activists"








One of the half wits Sean Clerkin making an arse of himself at a Labour event
http://youtu.be/wpVJK_LtETo

Rickshaw baws
http://youtu.be/0bGuCGdLxW0
http://youtu.be/JIGjUPwYU94