Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
iphonedyou said:
Edinburger said:
Wrong. I suggested it was offensive.
Ah, vicarious offence, the best sort. It's just as well we have the arbiter of offence here to guide us.
Okay, ignore the word "offence". Are the antics and behaviours of those who support Scottish nationalism a fair comparison with the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany? Yes or No?
Edinburger said:
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Pales into insignificance if compared to a list of attacks against the English or no voters for that matter.t listThe Nazi's didn't persecute the Jews immediately, they had to secure office first and who know how far Sturgeon and co will go to please their English hating voters.
NoNeed said:
Pales into insignificance if compared to a list of attacks against the English or no voters for that matter.
The Nazi's didn't persecute the Jews immediately, they had to secure office first and who know how far Sturgeon and co will go to please their English hating voters.
If by some chance the Conservatives form any sort of Government I can see them creating at every given opportunity.The Nazi's didn't persecute the Jews immediately, they had to secure office first and who know how far Sturgeon and co will go to please their English hating voters.
Why cant the be honest and instead of saying Tories say the "English"
NoNeed said:
Edinburger said:
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Pales into insignificance if compared to a list of attacks against the English or no voters for that matter.t listThe Nazi's didn't persecute the Jews immediately, they had to secure office first and who know how far Sturgeon and co will go to please their English hating voters.
Volume 6 and we still have a "its because they hate the English" comment. Jesus Bloody Christ. Give. Me. Strength.
johnxjsc1985 said:
NoNeed said:
Pales into insignificance if compared to a list of attacks against the English or no voters for that matter.
The Nazi's didn't persecute the Jews immediately, they had to secure office first and who know how far Sturgeon and co will go to please their English hating voters.
If by some chance the Conservatives form any sort of Government I can see them creating at every given opportunity.The Nazi's didn't persecute the Jews immediately, they had to secure office first and who know how far Sturgeon and co will go to please their English hating voters.
Why cant the be honest and instead of saying Tories say the "English"
johnxjsc1985 said:
NoNeed said:
Pales into insignificance if compared to a list of attacks against the English or no voters for that matter.
The Nazi's didn't persecute the Jews immediately, they had to secure office first and who know how far Sturgeon and co will go to please their English hating voters.
If by some chance the Conservatives form any sort of Government I can see them creating at every given opportunity.The Nazi's didn't persecute the Jews immediately, they had to secure office first and who know how far Sturgeon and co will go to please their English hating voters.
Why cant the be honest and instead of saying Tories say the "English"
Edinburger said:
And another one!
you'll need a few packs of headache tablets if you carry on.I am going by what I see on TV of the SNP and Sturgeon almost foaming at the mouth at the very thought of STOPPING the Conservatives forming a government it is all they want and its a form of payback for the failing in the Independence campaign.Rick_1138 said:
Im not a fan of Jim Murphy but this was uncalled for tbh.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3067268/Ji...
Jesus wept. Can you imagine the furore if that'd been directed at Sturgeon?http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3067268/Ji...
Sickening, aggressive and completely unacceptable.
Actually I'm fed up to the back teeth now of 'Scotland this, Scotland that....' Kick 'em out of the Union, welcome those who want to be part of the UK to wherever they'd like to settle, turn off the money tap and leave 'em to it.
Edited by Funk on Tuesday 5th May 12:51
Edinburger said:
NoNeed said:
Edinburger said:
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Pales into insignificance if compared to a list of attacks against the English or no voters for that matter.t listThe Nazi's didn't persecute the Jews immediately, they had to secure office first and who know how far Sturgeon and co will go to please their English hating voters.
Volume 6 and we still have a "its because they hate the English" comment. Jesus Bloody Christ. Give. Me. Strength.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2zeoQZB_y4
Really is loads, so stop with it's not anti-English lies and be honest to your Nazi masters.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Edinburger said:
And another one!
you'll need a few packs of headache tablets if you carry on.I am going by what I see on TV of the SNP and Sturgeon almost foaming at the mouth at the very thought of STOPPING the Conservatives forming a government it is all they want and its a form of payback for the failing in the Independence campaign.Edinburger said:
Actually, I think its all counter-productive. The anti-Tory bile which is being spouted by many parties in Scotland will cost them votes. Certaioly among my social circle, at least. People are bored with those lines.
There are people north of the border who still think anyone who votes Conservative must have gone to Eton or Harrow then Oxford or Cambridge.I have notice the Tory vote creeping upto 16% which will be what 400-500,000 votes thats a lot of people who will have no representative in Westminster.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Edinburger said:
Actually, I think its all counter-productive. The anti-Tory bile which is being spouted by many parties in Scotland will cost them votes. Certaioly among my social circle, at least. People are bored with those lines.
There are people north of the border who still think anyone who votes Conservative must have gone to Eton or Harrow then Oxford or Cambridge.I have notice the Tory vote creeping upto 16% which will be what 400-500,000 votes thats a lot of people who will have no representative in Westminster.
It's true that the UK's antiquated electoral system means that millions of people across the UK will not be represented by the party they wanted.
Edinburger said:
Oh My God!!!
Volume 6 and we still have a "its because they hate the English" comment. Jesus Bloody Christ. Give. Me. Strength.
We understand. The anti English narrative does not fit well with your own view of Nationalism. However, the reality is that too many SNP supporters are died in the wool racists, haters of the English, anti democracy and downright thuggish. You can dress it up all you like, indeed you can even try to ignore it (as you seem to do conveniently) but the centre of gravity of Nat thinking is decidedly anti English and no amount of wishing otherwise (or asserting your frustration every time this fact is pointed out ) will change that. Volume 6 and we still have a "its because they hate the English" comment. Jesus Bloody Christ. Give. Me. Strength.
Edinburger said:
Do you think that the principles and the behaviour of those who support Scottish nationalism is comparable to those who persecuted Jews acrsoss Europe in the 1930s/40s?
If you do then I think you need to brush up on your history.
I'm not wishing to stir this, and no not all of the supporters, but there is a distinct intolerance from some of any opposition to their opinions.If you do then I think you need to brush up on your history.
I'd been in Glasgow to see a band back in October and towards the end when they thanked the crowd for coming, the singer mentioned it was the last night of their UK tour and the very mention of the word UK had a huge chunk of the crowd trying to boo them off stage. I quote the idiot shouting next to me "you'll be lucky to make it out of here alive".
When you're shouting this at a foreign band who you've gone out of your way to see it doesn't paint a very pretty picture.
Edinburger said:
Oh My God!!!
Volume 6 and we still have a "its because they hate the English" comment. Jesus Bloody Christ. Give. Me. Strength.
They've only stopped that because it was so toxic. Now it's (as somebody notes above) the 'Tories' or 'red Tories' they whip themselves into a messianic fury over. Volume 6 and we still have a "its because they hate the English" comment. Jesus Bloody Christ. Give. Me. Strength.
Nationalism requires an external enemy. In times past it's been the Jews, the Huguenots, the West, and so on; the list is pretty long. Now it's the Tories, because everybody knows that no true Scotsman is a Tory, ergo they're all outsiders stealing our oil, despoiling our NHS, and burdening us with their Bedroom Tax.
Edited by spitsfire on Tuesday 5th May 13:12
Edinburger said:
Okay, ignore the word "offence". Are the antics and behaviours of those who support Scottish nationalism a fair comparison with the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany? Yes or No?
There are similarities and you can compare the recent rise of the SNP to the rise of the Nazi's. There are differences and Scotland is unlikely to end up going the way Germany went ofcoarse but the lies, blame, hate, bully tactics, attempts to subdue freedom of speech etc all are/were present with both movements.
MintyScot said:
Edinburger said:
Okay, ignore the word "offence". Are the antics and behaviours of those who support Scottish nationalism a fair comparison with the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany? Yes or No?
There are similarities and you can compare the recent rise of the SNP to the rise of the Nazi's. There are differences and Scotland is unlikely to end up going the way Germany went ofcoarse but the lies, blame, hate, bully tactics, attempts to subdue freedom of speech etc all are/were present with both movements.
It really is the Scottish Nazi party like you say one blamed the Jews one blames Tories but still doesn't like the Jews.
Edinburger said:
Those people are of low intelligence.
The average Tory voter is also, actuarially, the most likely to be university educated, self employed, own their own home, and other characteristics one would usually associate with higher intelligence and/or better education. I've not seen any big data on the average SNP voter, but a brief perusal of BookFace suggests that many struggle with grammar, spelling, and full-time employment. There was a bit in The Economist last year looking at the socio-economic classification of Yes and No voters.... wanna guess what the conclusions were?
the less you earn, and the less educated you are, the more likely you were to vote Yes
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