No jews here kid hoppit
Discussion
Guam said:
Earlier this year I posted a link to research showing the UK was the most tolerant planet on earth where anti semitism was concerned and was rightly proud of those results
The UK is just about the most tolerant country on earth. Too tolerant, if anything. I wouldn't let one alleged incident change your views.grumbledoak said:
Guam said:
Earlier this year I posted a link to research showing the UK was the most tolerant planet on earth where anti semitism was concerned and was rightly proud of those results
The UK is just about the most tolerant country on earth. Too tolerant, if anything. I wouldn't let one alleged incident change your views.Guam said:
Its not changing my view, however it is depressing to still see this kind of thing and see more of it since the Israeli Fracas, in the same ways as not all Muslims are terrorists neither are all Jews Zionists, it seems lately the argument is only flowing one way. Its time people woke up to the fact we all have to live together like it or not!
Surely you do not include the French in that statement?Oakey said:
grumbledoak said:
Yeah, kids never make stuff up to save themselves getting in trouble with their parents! And Jews never play the 'race' card. And the Daily Mail reporter just happened to be there and witnessed it, it wasn't phoned in, oh no. And, and...
Do you have proof that the kids are making it up?It's just that, if the guard is presumed innocent without further proof I'm struggling to understand how people are jumping to the conclusion the kids must be making it up without the same evidence that proves the guard is guilty.
There's apparently no evidence bar what a kid told his wealthy lawyer father, and his father has decided to use his money/influence to lash out - I think it's pathetic the number of people who are taking a story which could easily have been fabricated by a child at face value, and condemning a man who has already lost his job with no evidence of any wrongdoing.
Guam said:
Grumfutock said:
Surely you do not include the French in that statement?
You lost me there? 
Having a bit of a Blonde day today
Everyone else yes, the French? Never sir, NEVER!
In the words of Nelson!
"First, you must implicitly obey orders… Secondly, you must consider every man as your enemy who speaks ill of your King... And thirdly, you must hate a Frenchman as you do the devil".
Guam said:
blindswelledrat said:
Can't you even read? I'm not saying it isn't true.
I am saying that you are a massive girl reading one story and believing it means that our country "is becoming" s
t because of one idiot.
There is, and always have been tens and thousands of utter idiots in the UK. One story from one st tabloid about one idiot amounts to exactly nothing in the grand scheme of things and yet you are wailing like a smacked baby about the end of our society
Yes thanks I can and you ran straight to a personal insult stating I was thick, happy to put my IQ score against yours anytime pal.I am saying that you are a massive girl reading one story and believing it means that our country "is becoming" s
t because of one idiot.There is, and always have been tens and thousands of utter idiots in the UK. One story from one s
t tabloid about one idiot amounts to exactly nothing in the grand scheme of things and yet you are wailing like a smacked baby about the end of our societyAs I said you can f
k right off And yet more insults, keep it up you just demonstrate what an utter t
t you are 
Insults but with smileys.
Does not compute.
Meoricin said:
Well, which of these is the assumption we should be making - the more likely one, which results in a telling off and a kid having to sit on the stairs, or the far less likely one in which a man loses his job?
There's apparently no evidence bar what a kid told his wealthy lawyer father, and his father has decided to use his money/influence to lash out - I think it's pathetic the number of people who are taking a story which could easily have been fabricated by a child at face value, and condemning a man who has already lost his job with no evidence of any wrongdoing.
Righto. So the kids are bare faced liars who were somehow up to no good and his father being a lawyer and wealthy somehow factors into this story being bullsThere's apparently no evidence bar what a kid told his wealthy lawyer father, and his father has decided to use his money/influence to lash out - I think it's pathetic the number of people who are taking a story which could easily have been fabricated by a child at face value, and condemning a man who has already lost his job with no evidence of any wrongdoing.
t. Is it true - yeah, seems to be based on the fact I personally know several witnesses.
IS it down to SD? No, IMHO they acted fast, responsibly and intelligently. However, I would personally not expect them to make much of a statement as they are in a difficult position here. They will have some customers who will support the view of the guard but more importantly, as mob mentality has shown us recently, the last thing they want or need is a bunch an anti-Israel morons causing issues. That is not to say that anti-Israel and anti semitic are the same thing but there are strong links. Anti Israaeli policies on the other hand is different again.
Is anti-semitism on the rise here? Sadly, the answer is a clear yes. Kids from that school have had huge issues with verbal and even physical attacks to such an extent that security has now been arranged on the most common routes from the school.
It is not just that school though obviously. Look at the growth of the far right in France and Germany, the increasing support for groups like BF and EDL which as well as being anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim are also anti-semitic - each as odious as the other.
Ten years ago you could walk through London as a visually identifiable orthodox Jew with very few if any issues. The same sadly cannot be said now.
The UK is broadly a very open and tolerant society but I feel it is becoming increasingly less so whcih is very much to our own detriment as a country.
IS it down to SD? No, IMHO they acted fast, responsibly and intelligently. However, I would personally not expect them to make much of a statement as they are in a difficult position here. They will have some customers who will support the view of the guard but more importantly, as mob mentality has shown us recently, the last thing they want or need is a bunch an anti-Israel morons causing issues. That is not to say that anti-Israel and anti semitic are the same thing but there are strong links. Anti Israaeli policies on the other hand is different again.
Is anti-semitism on the rise here? Sadly, the answer is a clear yes. Kids from that school have had huge issues with verbal and even physical attacks to such an extent that security has now been arranged on the most common routes from the school.
It is not just that school though obviously. Look at the growth of the far right in France and Germany, the increasing support for groups like BF and EDL which as well as being anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim are also anti-semitic - each as odious as the other.
Ten years ago you could walk through London as a visually identifiable orthodox Jew with very few if any issues. The same sadly cannot be said now.
The UK is broadly a very open and tolerant society but I feel it is becoming increasingly less so whcih is very much to our own detriment as a country.
Pickled Piper said:
grumbledoak said:
Guam said:
Earlier this year I posted a link to research showing the UK was the most tolerant planet on earth where anti semitism was concerned and was rightly proud of those results
The UK is just about the most tolerant country on earth. Too tolerant, if anything. I wouldn't let one alleged incident change your views.A lot of us have been here our entire lives, and our families generations before us - all happily supportive and welcoming of the worlds genuine oppressed.
Rovinghawk said:
Guam said:
The father has been interviewed
He wasn't there.Guam said:
the Store and the Employer have both sacked him, I doubt in todays litigious environs, a company would move directly to dismissal without corroboration. I certainly would not dare, tribunals are not fun for employers.
He didn't work for the store- they simply told the security company not to send him again.Many security guards work as self-employed- maybe he was too.
May we see this corroboration? If so, I'll concede your point.
wolves_wanderer said:
The guard was "let go" by his employers, rather than just not sent again.
He was also removed from post by the store.Our area manager was notified immediately of this incident and took swift action.
‘He personally removed the guard and liaised with the security company which employed the individual. We were subsequently advised that he has been let go by that company
Pappa Lurve said:
Is it true - yeah, seems to be based on the fact I personally know several witnesses.
IS it down to SD? No, IMHO they acted fast, responsibly and intelligently. However, I would personally not expect them to make much of a statement as they are in a difficult position here. They will have some customers who will support the view of the guard but more importantly, as mob mentality has shown us recently, the last thing they want or need is a bunch an anti-Israel morons causing issues. That is not to say that anti-Israel and anti semitic are the same thing but there are strong links. Anti Israaeli policies on the other hand is different again.
Is anti-semitism on the rise here? Sadly, the answer is a clear yes. Kids from that school have had huge issues with verbal and even physical attacks to such an extent that security has now been arranged on the most common routes from the school.
It is not just that school though obviously. Look at the growth of the far right in France and Germany, the increasing support for groups like BF and EDL which as well as being anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim are also anti-semitic - each as odious as the other.
Ten years ago you could walk through London as a visually identifiable orthodox Jew with very few if any issues. The same sadly cannot be said now.
The UK is broadly a very open and tolerant society but I feel it is becoming increasingly less so whcih is very much to our own detriment as a country.
I would really question if the EDL are anti-Jewish, have you any examples?.IS it down to SD? No, IMHO they acted fast, responsibly and intelligently. However, I would personally not expect them to make much of a statement as they are in a difficult position here. They will have some customers who will support the view of the guard but more importantly, as mob mentality has shown us recently, the last thing they want or need is a bunch an anti-Israel morons causing issues. That is not to say that anti-Israel and anti semitic are the same thing but there are strong links. Anti Israaeli policies on the other hand is different again.
Is anti-semitism on the rise here? Sadly, the answer is a clear yes. Kids from that school have had huge issues with verbal and even physical attacks to such an extent that security has now been arranged on the most common routes from the school.
It is not just that school though obviously. Look at the growth of the far right in France and Germany, the increasing support for groups like BF and EDL which as well as being anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim are also anti-semitic - each as odious as the other.
Ten years ago you could walk through London as a visually identifiable orthodox Jew with very few if any issues. The same sadly cannot be said now.
The UK is broadly a very open and tolerant society but I feel it is becoming increasingly less so whcih is very much to our own detriment as a country.
The EDL have recently been demonstrating in support of Israel.
JagLover said:
Pappa Lurve said:
Is it true - yeah, seems to be based on the fact I personally know several witnesses.
IS it down to SD? No, IMHO they acted fast, responsibly and intelligently. However, I would personally not expect them to make much of a statement as they are in a difficult position here. They will have some customers who will support the view of the guard but more importantly, as mob mentality has shown us recently, the last thing they want or need is a bunch an anti-Israel morons causing issues. That is not to say that anti-Israel and anti semitic are the same thing but there are strong links. Anti Israaeli policies on the other hand is different again.
Is anti-semitism on the rise here? Sadly, the answer is a clear yes. Kids from that school have had huge issues with verbal and even physical attacks to such an extent that security has now been arranged on the most common routes from the school.
It is not just that school though obviously. Look at the growth of the far right in France and Germany, the increasing support for groups like BF and EDL which as well as being anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim are also anti-semitic - each as odious as the other.
Ten years ago you could walk through London as a visually identifiable orthodox Jew with very few if any issues. The same sadly cannot be said now.
The UK is broadly a very open and tolerant society but I feel it is becoming increasingly less so whcih is very much to our own detriment as a country.
I would really question if the EDL are anti-Jewish, have you any examples?.IS it down to SD? No, IMHO they acted fast, responsibly and intelligently. However, I would personally not expect them to make much of a statement as they are in a difficult position here. They will have some customers who will support the view of the guard but more importantly, as mob mentality has shown us recently, the last thing they want or need is a bunch an anti-Israel morons causing issues. That is not to say that anti-Israel and anti semitic are the same thing but there are strong links. Anti Israaeli policies on the other hand is different again.
Is anti-semitism on the rise here? Sadly, the answer is a clear yes. Kids from that school have had huge issues with verbal and even physical attacks to such an extent that security has now been arranged on the most common routes from the school.
It is not just that school though obviously. Look at the growth of the far right in France and Germany, the increasing support for groups like BF and EDL which as well as being anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim are also anti-semitic - each as odious as the other.
Ten years ago you could walk through London as a visually identifiable orthodox Jew with very few if any issues. The same sadly cannot be said now.
The UK is broadly a very open and tolerant society but I feel it is becoming increasingly less so whcih is very much to our own detriment as a country.
The EDL have recently been demonstrating in support of Israel.
Guam said:
Earlier this year I posted a link to research showing the UK was the most tolerant planet on earth where anti semitism was concerned and was rightly proud of those results, however recently (whatever the cause may be), we have indeed seen a swing the other way (widely reported) I am hopeful that this will revert back to the underlying trend, but am concerned that these recent events may prove a larger problem than the historical situation might suggest.
YAY!The UK is a planet now!
f
k you Pluto!
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