TV licence post a YES vote
Discussion
Posted before in Vol 5 of the main thread:
ralphrj said:
As I understand it the licence fees collected in an iScotland will be used to create a new Scottish Broadcasting Corporation (SBC).
The BBC will also have to cut expenditure due to the loss of 8-9% of their income and have said that if they are no longer receiving the income from Scotland then they aren't going to be broadcasting in Scotland (although some border areas will still be able to receive stuff from English transmitters and long wave radio will still be receivable).
The Yes campaign say "Scaremongering! BBC will still be available for free in Scotland just like Ireland".
Whilst I believe it is true that the BBC is available free in Ireland this is because there is a reciprocal arrangement that means people in Northern Ireland can receive RTE (the state Irish broadcaster) stuff for free. This makes sense as there is mutual interest in each broadcaster's programmes.
However, it is unlikely that the SBC will have any output that will be of interest outside of Scotland so it is unlikely that a similar arrangement will be made.
TL:DR
Yes campaign - "No change, we won't be paying for it but will continue to get it for free."
No campaign - "No you won't."
The BBC will also have to cut expenditure due to the loss of 8-9% of their income and have said that if they are no longer receiving the income from Scotland then they aren't going to be broadcasting in Scotland (although some border areas will still be able to receive stuff from English transmitters and long wave radio will still be receivable).
The Yes campaign say "Scaremongering! BBC will still be available for free in Scotland just like Ireland".
Whilst I believe it is true that the BBC is available free in Ireland this is because there is a reciprocal arrangement that means people in Northern Ireland can receive RTE (the state Irish broadcaster) stuff for free. This makes sense as there is mutual interest in each broadcaster's programmes.
However, it is unlikely that the SBC will have any output that will be of interest outside of Scotland so it is unlikely that a similar arrangement will be made.
TL:DR
Yes campaign - "No change, we won't be paying for it but will continue to get it for free."
No campaign - "No you won't."
Border regions may be able to pick up transmissions from transmitters in England - but for the rest of Scotland - surely some sort of deal will have to be struck whereby the TVL remains - or services get sold to Scotland e.g. via BBC worldwide.
Either way - i'm sure aunty Beeb will get her pound of flesh.
Either way - i'm sure aunty Beeb will get her pound of flesh.
I'm sure any organisation which is currently repsonsible for a part of the UK infrastructure is hoping that Scotland separates. A great opportunity to reduce costs in the rUK and price Scottish users accordingly. Also see Royal Mail, fixed line telephones, mobile telephones, water, gas, & electricity companies.
i.e. lose 1/13th of your customers, but save 1/10th of your costs(*). The beauty being that you can re-negotiate your contracts with iScotland knowing that *they* need you more than you need them!
(*) numbers made up!
i.e. lose 1/13th of your customers, but save 1/10th of your costs(*). The beauty being that you can re-negotiate your contracts with iScotland knowing that *they* need you more than you need them!
(*) numbers made up!
Kermit power said:
Out of interest, does anyone know how the Netherlands get hold of BBC1/2? Are they close enough to pick it up from transmitters in Norfolk? or something?
IIRC everyone in the Netherlands has cable and BBC1 and BBC2 used to be on it (I was only 12).You definitely can get UK Sky from The Hague though, which includes BBC on the free package. You need a British sky box/card though.
Kermit power said:
Out of interest, does anyone know how the Netherlands get hold of BBC1/2? Are they close enough to pick it up from transmitters in Norfolk? or something?
Many years ago I worked in Belgium for the EEC commission. This was way before satellite TV. Both the North Belgians and the Dutch were avid watchers of stuff like spitting image. Reception was good with just an aerial. Edited to add. Maybe it was a good aerial pointing in the right direction, mind you.
Esseesse said:
Kermit power said:
Out of interest, does anyone know how the Netherlands get hold of BBC1/2? Are they close enough to pick it up from transmitters in Norfolk? or something?
IIRC everyone in the Netherlands has cable and BBC1 and BBC2 used to be on it (I was only 12).You definitely can get UK Sky from The Hague though, which includes BBC on the free package. You need a British sky box/card though.
s2art said:
Many years ago I worked in Belgium for the EEC commission. This was way before satellite TV. Both the North Belgians and the Dutch were avid watchers of stuff like spitting image. Reception was good with just an aerial.
Edited to add. Maybe it was a good aerial pointing in the right direction, mind you.
IIRC when they introduced Channel 5, it wasn't available along the south coast of England because it would have interfered with French TV. Unless you had Sky/Cable or they started digital broadcasts, you couldn't get it.Edited to add. Maybe it was a good aerial pointing in the right direction, mind you.
Beati Dogu said:
IIRC when they introduced Channel 5, it wasn't available along the south coast of England because it would have interfered with French TV. Unless you had Sky/Cable or they started digital broadcasts, you couldn't get it.
Damn, I'd happily trade Channel 5 for French TV. Just as unintelligible but with added boobies in the adverts. Sign me up!If the yes camp came out and said they were abolishing the license fee and any funding from Scottish citizens in the event of a yes vote it would probably be the only thing they have going for them I would agree with, it's still a no from me 110%, but frankly, IMO, the Beeb are a sack of s
te that should have their public funding withdrawn and be made to stand on their own two feet.
te that should have their public funding withdrawn and be made to stand on their own two feet.wiffmaster said:
Doesn't matter what the arrangements are - anybody In Scotland with a satellite dish and Freesat will still be able to get all the BBC channels.
For now. I can't see that continuing. Here's why.
If Scotland isn't paying for it - Why should the BBC provide it.
The BBC will lose circa 10% of it's domestic revenue steam from the UK taxpayer.
That money enables the following to be provided to Scotland:
TV Channels
BBC One
BBC Two
BBC Three
BBC Four
BBC Parliament
BBC News
CBBC
CBeebies
Alba
Radio
BBC Radio 1
BBC Radio 2
BBC Radio 3
BBC Radio 4
BBC Radio 5
BBC Radio 6
BBC Radio Scotland
BBC Radio nan Gàidheal – Scottish Gaelic language
BBC Radio Shetland – Scotland (Shetland)
BBC Radio Orkney – Scotland (Orkney)
The rUK will be up in arms if we have to pay to provide "free iScotland" with telly and radio.
The BBC will ultimately pull out of Freesat - due to commercial pressures and the will of those funding the BBC.
Even iPlayer will be geographically limited to rUK.
Edit: And with BBC under spending cut pressure - I can see some candidates to cut cost / raise revenue. iScotland wants it - iScotland pays for it.
Edited by Troubleatmill on Wednesday 17th September 10:57
Troubleatmill said:
The BBC will ultimately pull out of Freesat - due to commercial pressures and the will of those funding the BBC.
Even iPlayer will be geographically limited to rUK.
That's the thing - the BBC won't pull out of Freesat. Given the massive drive to get everybody switched over to digital before the analogue signal is switched off, there's no way that they will pull out of Freesat as the uproar would be ridiculous. Given that it's not possible to stop Scotland receiving the satellite signal, all the BBC could do, would be to stop producing region specific Scottish content. Scotland could still continue to get the exact same BBC channels that I can get in London - and it's impossible to stop it!Even iPlayer will be geographically limited to rUK.
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