Scotland's Independence and Speeding

Scotland's Independence and Speeding

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crashley

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1,568 posts

181 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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In the unlikely (my opinion only) event of a Yes vote tomorrow, what are the implications for "foreign speeders" in an independent Scotland, that potentially wouldn't have EU membership either?

Given Scotland is covered in fantastic driving roads, and this is a drivers' forum... surely this is of most importance.


Halmyre

11,219 posts

140 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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The common consensus in here is that Scotland will collapse into a third-world hellhole, so the roads will deteriorate and won't be fit to drive on. Which is good news for green-laners...

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Halmyre said:
The common consensus in here is that Scotland will collapse into a third-world hellhole, so the roads will deteriorate and won't be fit to drive on. Which is good news for green-laners...
Yeah, but it'll take a couple of years, just have to get in there quick.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

159 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Allowing for finances & hatred of the English, expect fines to be high.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Rovinghawk said:
Allowing for finances & hatred of the English, expect fines to be high.
Caught by whom? They won't be able to afford to police the interesting roads, just don't speed on the A74(M).

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

159 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Fine all English drivers. The police/courts won't know where they've been speeding, but the drivers will. smile

Otispunkmeyer

12,616 posts

156 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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While we're munching through the "Scottish independence and 'X'?" questions... what about Haggis?

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

159 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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They generally don't speed.

Halmyre

11,219 posts

140 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Otispunkmeyer said:
While we're munching through the "Scottish independence and 'X'?" questions... what about Haggis?
A good question, we're running short of haggis ingredients, so we'll have an ideal solution to the "what to do with speeding English drivers" dilemma, nom nom.

e8_pack

1,384 posts

182 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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The roads are already bad in Scotland, they've been paying taxes to maintain roads in England for years, no hold on wait...

(meanwhile, at the SNP HQ)...just what has the English EVER done for us...

Glade

4,268 posts

224 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/11/93...

Motoring Services

132. Will an independent Scotland have its own driver and vehicle licencing and driving standards agency?

Powers over these issues will transfer to the Scottish Parliament as a result of independence. It is the current Scottish Government's intention to continue to use the services of the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency, Driving Standards Agency, and Vehicle and Operator Services Agency in the immediate post-independence period. These agencies are currently self-funded through user fees. Scottish users, therefore contribute fully to the cost of providing these services.

Independence will allow the Scottish Parliament to determine the best way to deliver these services in the future. The current Scottish Government proposes the creation of a new, streamlined Scottish Motor Services Agency, which will bring together the functions of DVLA, DSA, VOSA, and Vehicle Certification Agency. By the end of the first term of an independent Parliament, the current Scottish Government would plan to have completed the design and development work, with a view to the Agency going live early in the second Parliament.

133. Will we need to reapply for driving licences if Scotland becomes independent?

No. The Scottish Government intends that the driver licensing regime will remain in place at the point of independence. This will ensure all licences granted by the DVLA are recognised in Scotland.

134. Will an independent Scotland change the UK legislation for bus, coach and lorry drivers' Certificate of Professional Competence training?

This is a decision for future elected Governments of an independent Scotland. This Government has no plans to change the present regime for Certificate of Professional Competence training.

135. Will Scotland retain the role of Traffic Commissioner?

Yes. The Scottish Government's intention is that an independent Scotland will retain the Traffic Commissioner's role.

ninja-lewis

4,248 posts

191 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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You can guarantee that this will be one thing the two countries organise and enforce efficiently!

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

205 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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I imagine any english person driving an expensive car over 100mph would find themselves in jail very very quickly


crashley

Original Poster:

1,568 posts

181 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Well that's a nuisance.

offshorematt2

864 posts

217 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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While driving home tonight I was looking at all the cars with private plates and wondered if any one has answered (or tried to answer) the question of how these will work if we split?

Got to presume that the same registration system will remain north of the border come independence, at least in the short term if the DVLA is staying put. But as private regs don't belong to the motorist, is it perhaps feasible that they'll be reappropriated post independence?

With the intrinsic value of the plates it would be a fairly hefty 'giveaway' just to let them all leave the UK. Or alternatively nothing to stop DVLA just reissuing them in England whenever they feel like a windfall, I guess.

Just another thing that will doubtless cost me money if things go 'yes'. Ho hum. We'll find out tomorrow and just move on.


fluffnik

20,156 posts

228 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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offshorematt2 said:
While driving home tonight I was looking at all the cars with private plates and wondered if any one has answered (or tried to answer) the question of how these will work if we split?
I think leasing them to the highest bidder makes a great deal of sense.

offshorematt2

864 posts

217 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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fluffnik said:
offshorematt2 said:
While driving home tonight I was looking at all the cars with private plates and wondered if any one has answered (or tried to answer) the question of how these will work if we split?
I think leasing them to the highest bidder makes a great deal of sense.
Not sure I follow. Was that tongue in cheek? They've already been leased to the highest bidder once however they remain the property of DVLA as they like to remind us. If Scotland starts up it's own Scottish equivalent, why would DVLA hand over millions of pounds of existing registrations to them?

Edit - 1.68billion quid raised by DVLA over the last twenty years apparently.

Beati Dogu

8,898 posts

140 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
I imagine any english person driving an expensive car over 100mph would find themselves in jail very very quickly
Or stuffed inside a wicker man in some remote parts of Scotland, so I hear. wink

fluffnik

20,156 posts

228 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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offshorematt2 said:
fluffnik said:
I think leasing them to the highest bidder makes a great deal of sense.
Not sure I follow. Was that tongue in cheek? They've already been leased to the highest bidder once however they remain the property of DVLA as they like to remind us. If Scotland starts up it's own Scottish equivalent, why would DVLA hand over millions of pounds of existing registrations to them?

Edit - 1.68billion quid raised by DVLA over the last twenty years apparently.
I think Scotland should run its own vanity plate scheme which allows freeform plates for an upfront payment and an enhanced annual charge. No private market, unretained plates return to the pool.

rUK registrations are not Scottish registrations...

XJSJohn

15,966 posts

220 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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e8_pack said:
The roads are already bad in Scotland, they've been paying taxes to maintain roads in England for years, no hold on wait...

(meanwhile, at the SNP HQ)...just what has the English EVER done for us...
ll right, all right … apart from better sanitation, and medicine, and education, and irrigation, and public health, and roads, and a freshwater system, and baths, and public order … what have the Romans English done for us?