Left wingers are getting a bit scared
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Post Scottish referendum, all the talk is of political reform, devolution and the creation of a more federal UK. There is even a move where the Tories look set to campaign the general election on the idea of an English parliament to match the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish ones.
This is all well and good. It is a positive evolution of UK democracy.
It is also getting the Left a bit frightened. If an English parliament passes laws that Scottish and Welsh MP's cannot vote on ( because they affect only English people ) then Labour will lose a lot of influence. Not having left wing MP's from Scotland and Wales to vote policies through will drastically reduce the power of the Labour party. England on its own, is proportionally rather more Tory than the entire Uk taken together.
Milliband is looking properly fazed by this. Labour's trousers are falling down. They've walked into a position all on their own because of the Scottish referendum and now they are there, they suddenly realise that they have walked into a trap that can really damage them.
People think Cameron is a fool. I disagree. I think he knows what he is doing or, at least, some of his advisors do.
The whole proposition from the Tories, Labour and UKIP looks set to change as we move toward next years election. I am not sure Milliband will last that long, either.
Interesting times..
This is all well and good. It is a positive evolution of UK democracy.
It is also getting the Left a bit frightened. If an English parliament passes laws that Scottish and Welsh MP's cannot vote on ( because they affect only English people ) then Labour will lose a lot of influence. Not having left wing MP's from Scotland and Wales to vote policies through will drastically reduce the power of the Labour party. England on its own, is proportionally rather more Tory than the entire Uk taken together.
Milliband is looking properly fazed by this. Labour's trousers are falling down. They've walked into a position all on their own because of the Scottish referendum and now they are there, they suddenly realise that they have walked into a trap that can really damage them.
People think Cameron is a fool. I disagree. I think he knows what he is doing or, at least, some of his advisors do.
The whole proposition from the Tories, Labour and UKIP looks set to change as we move toward next years election. I am not sure Milliband will last that long, either.
Interesting times..
king hand and half here.Cameron has turned a bad situation into a positive one.
If Scottish MPs cannot vote on English economic matters or anything exclusively English then we could have a situation where Labour win power in 2015 with a small majority but then cannot get their policies through parliament because circa 40 of their MPs cannot vote on a particular issue. It opens up a massive can of worms.
So the Tories still have the Union AND they get rid of Scottish Labour MPs. What a stroke of luck.
If Scottish MPs cannot vote on English economic matters or anything exclusively English then we could have a situation where Labour win power in 2015 with a small majority but then cannot get their policies through parliament because circa 40 of their MPs cannot vote on a particular issue. It opens up a massive can of worms.
So the Tories still have the Union AND they get rid of Scottish Labour MPs. What a stroke of luck.
BlackLabel said:
Cameron has turned a bad situation into a positive one.
If Scottish MPs cannot vote on English economic matters or anything exclusively English then we could have a situation where Labour win power in 2015 with a small majority but then cannot get their policies through parliament because circa 40 of their MPs cannot vote on a particular issue. It opens up a massive can of worms.
So the Tories still have the Union AND they get rid of Scottish Labour MPs. What a stroke of luck.
I think you will find its much more complex than that. I think the word you are looking for is blunder not blinder!!!If Scottish MPs cannot vote on English economic matters or anything exclusively English then we could have a situation where Labour win power in 2015 with a small majority but then cannot get their policies through parliament because circa 40 of their MPs cannot vote on a particular issue. It opens up a massive can of worms.
So the Tories still have the Union AND they get rid of Scottish Labour MPs. What a stroke of luck.
CMD promised Scotland, to make Barnett permeant, and more powers including powers to tax and borrow.
He has now arrived back at No 10 to find out very few Conservatives MP will back this, Why would they? This is a potential game changer for UKIP. Their polling was falling but promising to overturn any legislation which gives Scotland additional money, or power without giving the same powers in England will put the Conservatives on the run. Most English Conservative MP have no option but to oppose any legislation proposed by CMD et all.
Clegg and Ed will stay very quirt and just talk about regional assemblies. While making it clear they will not vote for any type of English parliament.
CMD will then have the option of putting in place the legislation he promised relying on Labour and Lib Dem votes. Which would trigger an immediate leadership challenge or resigning.
CMD will be gone soon.
Mrr T said:
I think you will find its much more complex than that. I think the word you are looking for is blunder not blinder!!!
CMD promised Scotland, to make Barnett permeant, and more powers including powers to tax and borrow.
He has now arrived back at No 10 to find out very few Conservatives MP will back this, Why would they? This is a potential game changer for UKIP. Their polling was falling but promising to overturn any legislation which gives Scotland additional money, or power without giving the same powers in England will put the Conservatives on the run. Most English Conservative MP have no option but to oppose any legislation proposed by CMD et all.
Clegg and Ed will stay very quirt and just talk about regional assemblies. While making it clear they will not vote for any type of English parliament.
CMD will then have the option of putting in place the legislation he promised relying on Labour and Lib Dem votes. Which would trigger an immediate leadership challenge or resigning.
CMD will be gone soon.
Maybe CMD doesn't want the job? Being PM must be exhausting and he is a family bloke.CMD promised Scotland, to make Barnett permeant, and more powers including powers to tax and borrow.
He has now arrived back at No 10 to find out very few Conservatives MP will back this, Why would they? This is a potential game changer for UKIP. Their polling was falling but promising to overturn any legislation which gives Scotland additional money, or power without giving the same powers in England will put the Conservatives on the run. Most English Conservative MP have no option but to oppose any legislation proposed by CMD et all.
Clegg and Ed will stay very quirt and just talk about regional assemblies. While making it clear they will not vote for any type of English parliament.
CMD will then have the option of putting in place the legislation he promised relying on Labour and Lib Dem votes. Which would trigger an immediate leadership challenge or resigning.
CMD will be gone soon.
An equally alternative scenario is to see the Tories charge forward under Boris and the flag of St George, rally the vote on an English parliament, marginalise UKIP and be back in charge in time for tea and biscuits.
Zod said:
Of course not. That's why he's Prime Minister. 
Even Broon is an astute politician.
The people of Scotland were never going to vote for a split. It came close, but it was feck all to do with CMD! I'm no Salmond supporter and I voted No, but for anyone to say CMD played the situation well is just horlicks! Even Broon is an astute politician.Zod said:
jshell said:
Cameron got lucky. Don't kid yourselves that he's some kind of astute politician. 
Of course not. That's why he's Prime Minister. Even Broon is an astute politician.
For all my dislike of the Man's politics Broon put on one of the greatest displays of political oratory this week that you will ever see. He may have been a crock of **it leader and madder than a box of frogs on acid but Jez that man can whip and carry an audience when he actually believes what he is saying!
Zod said:
Yu are missing the point, jshell; it's not the referendum campaignthat he played well (he was right to stay out of that), but the final week's promises that could result in Labour never having power to increase income tax or introduce a mansion tax in England.
Except . . . it looks as if he will be unable to deliver on the promises re increased powers for Scotland he and the other party leaders made, at least in the timescales promised. That could cause problems, and make either his promises seem rash or his leadership weak?
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