The Salmond is off

[Northern Munkee]

Breadvan72 said:

I add the opinion that none of the Westminster leaders had a democratic mandate to make the pledges that they made.

This.

And anyone with a brain cell engaged knew it as soon as it was made, but still it will all be just more grist to the mill for those Scots who claim that "Westminster" has reneged. Again (apparently). As Cameron has to get it through parliament and will need votes of MPs, including backbench Tories.

Meanwhile the instigator of this mess Alex Salmond has trotted off probably to a peerage, fat taxpayer pension, or EU commission cosy post or a few directorships with Scottish banks or maybe... oil company. And left his country split down the middle, and with a good deal of animosity. Arguably the statesman would have stayed to heal his country, and negotiate for Scotland in a new Union, which we are already being forced into the 3 smaller countries, the English regions and Westminster are going to be in. So yeh thanks Salmond.... Very principled.

And we'll be forced to do it again in 20years, although by then (and perhaps why he's gone) demographics will have changed and Scotland won't be so Scottish (like England has gone), and spectre of Thatcher's ghost will have passed another generation into memory, although not for some.

[matchmaker]

dingg said:

Rovinghawk said:

It's an admission of defeat and by doing so he comes across better than those who try to cling to a position even when they shouldn't.

100% agreed

its a pity more don't do the same when they fail dismally

+1

[anonymous-user]

All that so he can step down when he doesn't get the answer he wants. Sounds like chickening out at the end, he has created a nasty divisive campaign in Scotland that is probably as damaging as going independent.

With a bit of luck he will fade into obscurity with an unflattering place in history.

[Art0ir]

You know, he was never going to be a popular in the rUK. But by chance, he has done a lot for his country and democracy in Scotland if they get Devo Max.

Is it more wasteful? Probably. Will it cost us? Could do.

Has he got the best possible deal for the people he represents? It seems that way. That's his job at the end of the day and as such, all I can really say to that is "Fair play."

I disagreed with almost every word that came out of his mouth but he had conviction and that's something the political class could do with a lot more of.

[Captainawesome]

I do feel a bit sorry for him.

I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot but he must be feeling like a sts st right now.

[Riff Raff]

Northern Munkee said:

And we'll be forced to do it again in 20years, although by then (and perhaps why he's gone) demographics will have changed and Scotland won't be so Scottish (like England has gone), and spectre of Thatcher's ghost will have passed another generation into memory, although not for some.

It depends what happens in the next couple of years. If the English don't deliver Devo Max, it won't take twenty years for the Independence issue to come alive again.

[Northern Munkee]

Riff Raff said:

Northern Munkee said:

And we'll be forced to do it again in 20years, although by then (and perhaps why he's gone) demographics will have changed and Scotland won't be so Scottish (like England has gone), and spectre of Thatcher's ghost will have passed another generation into memory, although not for some.

It depends what happens in the next couple of years. If the English don't deliver Devo Max, it won't take twenty years for the Independence issue to come alive again.

Well prepare yourself - my local north east Tory MP is already quoted he vote against his PM against devolving further powers to Scotland, while there is no equal settlement for the north east with whom Scotland competes to bring business to the north. Now that sounds like empty rhetoric however he could fk off to UKIP probably pick up more votes from disgruntled old labour voters (contrary to the denials of the Labour Party) who are sick of being taken for granted and for a ride. So Cameron isn't going to deliver, miliband won't agree to Cameron's terms, and clegg will be back off to the eu commission.

[gaz1234]

Do we get to vote for keeping the jocks..?

[pavka007]

gaz1234 said:

Do we get to vote for keeping the jocks..?

Once a prick, always a prick

[Einion Yrth]

Captainawesome said:

I do feel a bit sorry for him.

I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot but he must be feeling like a sts st right now.

I just watched his resignation speech and I actually feel a bit sorry for him, he's obviously gutted. I can't however forgive the egregious lying; the ends, however noble you may consider them, do not justify the means.

[Northern Munkee]

Riff Raff said:

Northern Munkee said:

And we'll be forced to do it again in 20years, although by then (and perhaps why he's gone) demographics will have changed and Scotland won't be so Scottish (like England has gone), and spectre of Thatcher's ghost will have passed another generation into memory, although not for some.

It depends what happens in the next couple of years. If the English don't deliver Devo Max, it won't take twenty years for the Independence issue to come alive again.

Might I suggest you watch the channel 4 news re run at 8pm to see the turmoil we are now in.

[Northern Munkee]

Riff Raff said:

Northern Munkee said:

And we'll be forced to do it again in 20years, although by then (and perhaps why he's gone) demographics will have changed and Scotland won't be so Scottish (like England has gone), and spectre of Thatcher's ghost will have passed another generation into memory, although not for some.

It depends what happens in the next couple of years. If the English don't deliver Devo Max, it won't take twenty years for the Independence issue to come alive again.

Might I suggest you watch the channel 4 news re run at 8pm to see the turmoil we are now in.

[duncancallum]

I heard a rumour that he had bought a place in Canada and was on the brink of separation from his missus.

However that may all be total bks and he might have some principles that we were unaware of.

[Catz]

All politicians lie!

If nothing else Salmond managed to get almost 85% of Scots to go and vote on something.

[deadslow]

He's off. You may love or loathe him. Of the current political leaders, who is good enough to stay?

[Mermaid]

deadslow said:

He's off. You may love or loathe him. Of the current political leaders, who is good enough to stay?

Brown saved the UK

[deadslow]

Mermaid said:

deadslow said:

He's off. You may love or loathe him. Of the current political leaders, who is good enough to stay?

Brown saved the UK

Aye, tongue in cheek, but which of them is genuinely top drawer?

[anonymous-user]

Einion Yrth said:

Captainawesome said:

I do feel a bit sorry for him.

I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot but he must be feeling like a sts st right now.

I just watched his resignation speech and I actually feel a bit sorry for him, he's obviously gutted. I can't however forgive the egregious lying; the ends, however noble you may consider them, do not justify the means.

A lot of the SNPs figures were clearly fudged, I wonder when/if they come to light, people will feel a bit cheated.

I'm not sure it will be an easy ride for Sturgeon having to deal with the fallout, sure she can blame Westminster but there was quite a few porkies being told by the SNP on the lead up to the referendum. Apparently she's a shoe in as she's more popular with the female voters, but I don't think they're overflowing with high calibre candidates really.

[deadslow]

el stovey said:

A lot of the SNPs figures were clearly fudged, I wonder when/if they come to light, people will feel a bit cheated.

Yes, you're probably right but do you seriously imagine the figures on the other side were not fudged? A new low point in naivety.

[Captainawesome]

Einion Yrth said:

Captainawesome said:

I do feel a bit sorry for him.

I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot but he must be feeling like a sts st right now.

I just watched his resignation speech and I actually feel a bit sorry for him, he's obviously gutted. I can't however forgive the egregious lying; the ends, however noble you may consider them, do not justify the means.

I'm not saying they do.......I understand it became a bit personal for him but you have to feel for him when he was soooo close to achieving a dream and then getting hammered.
However wrong he was, he can't be feeling good.