The Salmond is off
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petercam said:
Catz said:
It was a close vote!
Compared to what it might have achieved 2 years ago I'd say 45% was a good vote.
Non yes vote but interesting to see how the country voted. A more thought out "yes" campaign not based on nationalism, waving saltires and singing Flower of Scotland, might perhaps have swung it!
Compared to what happened tonight in George Square in Glasgow, I am so glad I voted YES. Is this the vision that the 3 stooges have for Scotland? Compared to what it might have achieved 2 years ago I'd say 45% was a good vote.
Non yes vote but interesting to see how the country voted. A more thought out "yes" campaign not based on nationalism, waving saltires and singing Flower of Scotland, might perhaps have swung it!
Catz said:
If nothing else Salmond managed to get almost 85% of Scots to go and vote on something.
Fortunately most of that 85% went out and voted against Salmond because they didn't want a complete nutter dismantling the UK.That's a victory for common sense, not a victory for Salmond.
Catz said:
It was a close vote!
Compared to what it might have achieved 2 years ago I'd say 45% was a good vote.
Non yes vote but interesting to see how the country voted. A more thought out "yes" campaign not based on nationalism, waving saltires and singing Flower of Scotland, might perhaps have swung it!
Umm, it really was not close at all - If it had been run the way elections are run it would have gone beyond landslide, and into "fallen off cliff with no parachute" territory, that is how one-sided in favour of no it was. Compared to what it might have achieved 2 years ago I'd say 45% was a good vote.
Non yes vote but interesting to see how the country voted. A more thought out "yes" campaign not based on nationalism, waving saltires and singing Flower of Scotland, might perhaps have swung it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scottish_indepen...
Chlamydia said:
So a very small number of right wing neds came out of the bars and stood in George Square for a while. It was hardly Tiananmen Square was it? At one point on the live cast a beachball was being bounced around by the small crowd. Scary!
I think it was a little more than that. It was an organised gathering, the Vanguard Bears via their website, called fans to gather at 6pm. They were charging around assaulting anyone with a yes badge, they hell bent on causing trouble, and there were reports of someone being stabbed, and a 12 year old girl being bottled. Did you see the video of the little girl having her saltire ripped from her hands by a thug?Take twenty voters at random.
9 voted Yes and 11 voted No. I am in the No camp, but that is hardly a resounding majority.
If our illustrious Prime Minister had bothered, or more to the point, been capable, this referendum should have produced a result which would have ended the independence movement permanently.
As it is, his inability to lead, coupled with dithering incompetence, allowed Eck to chip away at the massive initial lead by standing up and shouting his lies so often unchallenged that the Bravehearts assumed they must be true.
9 voted Yes and 11 voted No. I am in the No camp, but that is hardly a resounding majority.
If our illustrious Prime Minister had bothered, or more to the point, been capable, this referendum should have produced a result which would have ended the independence movement permanently.
As it is, his inability to lead, coupled with dithering incompetence, allowed Eck to chip away at the massive initial lead by standing up and shouting his lies so often unchallenged that the Bravehearts assumed they must be true.
petercam said:
I think it was a little more than that. It was an organised gathering, the Vanguard Bears via their website, called fans to gather at 6pm. They were charging around assaulting anyone with a yes badge, they hell bent on causing trouble, and there were reports of someone being stabbed, and a 12 year old girl being bottled. Did you see the video of the little girl having her saltire ripped from her hands by a thug?
Did you previously see the Yes supporters vandalising cars and homes on the run-up to the election, or painting graffiti on a polling station saying "Vote Yes or else!", or threatening No voters that they would burn down their houses, etc? My point is that there were idiots on both sides but they were a minuscule number compared to the majority.If you base your vote on what you see on the telly then you'd be switching sides every time you watched the News.
Breadvan72 said:
In essence, Clydeside - traditionally working class, left of centre, with strong elements of catholicism and republicanism - voted yes. Pretty much everywhere else voted no.
As a Weegie, I'm not sure what catholicism has to do with anything here. As of the last census, about 15% of the population in Scotland classified themselves as Catholic, compared with about 30% Church of Scotland. Just about half the population didn't declare a religion, which presumably means it (religion) doesn't figure highly on the list of things that they feel define them.DocJock said:
9 voted Yes and 11 voted No. I am in the No camp, but that is hardly a resounding majority.
Let's be honest - it was never going to be a resounding majority either way was it. Even before the white paper was published - early polls indicated that the Yes support was (on average) lying somewhere between 35% and 45%.
The fact that a large minority of Scots would vote for independence is a kind of "bears s#it in woods" fact.
Chlamydia said:
Did you previously see the Yes supporters vandalising cars and homes on the run-up to the election, or painting graffiti on a polling station saying "Vote Yes or else!", or threatening No voters that they would burn down their houses, etc? My point is that there were idiots on both sides but they were a minuscule number compared to the majority.
If you base your vote on what you see on the telly then you'd be switching sides every time you watched the News.
Threats and a little bit of harmless graffiti are a little different to what happened on Friday night ...If you base your vote on what you see on the telly then you'd be switching sides every time you watched the News.
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