Everything is Maths, it really is that simple.

[FredClogs]

BGARK said:

FredClogs said:

maths and logic are quite different.

What do you base logic on, do you have any examples that are nothing to do with maths?

I said they are quite different, your question is framed as if I said the were unrelated, that's not what I said.

I'm not really sure you are ready for this kind of conversation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_logic_symbols

p.s non of what you wrote in the OP shows any understanding of logic or mathematics.

[BGARK]

FC have you ever been involved in a discussion on PH whereby you might have been wrong about something?

[Moonhawk]

toohuge said:

But if there's no one there to see it fall over, has it really fallen over....

That all depends on how you define an observer.

Technically when you observe something - you are interacting with it via electromagnetic forces, electrochemical response to photons etc. The fact that you are a human does not convey any special meaning to this interaction.

Therefore - if the tree interacts with anything during its fall (the air, the ground etc) - then it can in effect be considered as having been observed since the physical processes underpinning those interactions are founded on identical principles to interactions with humans.

On that basis - the question should be - can a tree fall without it being 'observed' - and the answer is clearly 'No' since the act of falling in itself initiates interactions with the surrounding environment. In fact - going one further - the tree is actually under constant 'observation' and so a tree cannot exist, let alone fall without being observed.

[anonymous-user]

This book is the book people need to read if they're interested in rationality, bias, psychology (behavioural economics) and our treatment of money.

[Rovinghawk]

BGARK said:

What do you base logic on, do you have any examples that are nothing to do with maths?

All men are mortal. Socrates is a man, therefore Socrates is mortal.

That good enough for you?

[Rovinghawk]

eharding said:

JuniorD said:

Re importing equalling money going out of the UK. Longer term, an imported asset can generate income within the UK which exceeds the cost to buy and import.

Examples, please.

We import excavators & a tunnel boring machine to build the channel tunnel.

[marctwo]

-Pete- said:

Numberwang?

[Moonhawk]

Rovinghawk said:

eharding said:

JuniorD said:

Re importing equalling money going out of the UK. Longer term, an imported asset can generate income within the UK which exceeds the cost to buy and import.

Examples, please.

We import excavators & a tunnel boring machine to build the channel tunnel.

There are loads of examples.

Think of a manufacturing site. They import machinery from another country to speed up their production line and make it more efficient - due to the increase in capacity - then can then sell their product back to the same country from which they bought the machine - making back the cost of the machine and then some.

The import has resulted in a net gain overall.

[plasticpig]

BGARK said:

What do you base logic on, do you have any examples that are nothing to do with maths?

[Digga]

La Liga said:

This book is the book people need to read if they're interested in rationality, bias, psychology (behavioural economics) and our treatment of money.

^This.

The mistake is to think logic has anything to do with most human actions. I'm just reading another book, by Hayek which, along similar lines, discusses the topic of epistemology.

[Moonhawk]

plasticpig said:

BGARK said:

What do you base logic on, do you have any examples that are nothing to do with maths?

Not sure how that has 'nothing to do with maths'. Every one of those steps has an item that would have to be measured/analysed and a decision made based on numeric quantities.

Fuel efficiency, distance travelled, fuel consumption, lives saved, pollution levels, car size - are all values that can and would have to be expressed in numeric terms.

[plasticpig]

Moonhawk said:

Not sure how that has 'nothing to do with maths'. Every one of those steps has an item that would have to be measured/analysed and a decision made based on numeric quantities.

Fuel efficiency, distance travelled, fuel consumption, lives saved, pollution levels, car size - are all values that can and would have to be expressed in numeric terms.

The maths isn't part of the logic though. The argument and conclusion is not expressed formally as it would be in predicate logic. To give a very simple example.

[Rovinghawk]

plasticpig said:

To give a very simple example.

So simple that it's wrong. I gave a correct version earlier.

[plasticpig]

Rovinghawk said:

So simple that it's wrong. I gave a correct version earlier.

No that depends on whether the Socrates being referred to is a human philosopher or a dog.

[JonRB]

http://xkcd.com/435/

[Rovinghawk]

plasticpig said:

No that depends on whether the Socrates being referred to is a human philosopher or a dog.

So who or what is 'Socates'? You said that if Socates is a dog then Socrates has a tail.

As I said- there's an error.

[turbobloke]

toohuge said:

FredClogs said:

PlankWithANailIn said:

If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound if there is no one around to hear it?

I'm very much of the opinion that there is no objective material reality outside the perceptions of human consciousness, so I say no.

But if there's no one there to see it fall over, has it really fallen over....

Schrödinger's cat knows but may be dead.

[plasticpig]

Rovinghawk said:

So who or what is 'Socates'? You said that if Socates is a dog then Socrates has a tail.

As I said- there's an error.

Ah hadn't spotted that typo.

[Rovinghawk]

plasticpig said:

Ah hadn't spotted that typo.

[Amateurish]

BGARK said:

Spending money you don't have = bad

Have you got a mortgage? Or do you know anyone who does?