Milliband Speech

[Ganglandboss]

Sir Humphrey said:

garyhun said:

Didn't labour do that for 13 years?

They had a surplus in more years than the Tories ever managed under Thatcher and Major.

Didn't Labour just continue with the previous government's spending plans? The economy continued to grow, with the deficit reduced in the first year and a surplus in the second. Then there was a further two years of growth and then we see a downturn in the fifth which also happened to be general election year, where spunking a bit of cash on public services won't do them any harm. Next year we're back in the st again, but somehow the useless tossers win another election. Then comes the 2007 financial crisis and we're now well and truly fked.

[ShawCrossShark]

Asterix said:

Sir Humphrey said:

garyhun said:

Didn't labour do that for 13 years?

They had a surplus in more years than the Tories ever managed under Thatcher and Major.

Lol - that's because Brown left the practices from the Tories intact for the first three years they were in power. Then he started thinking he could do better and the rest is history. The growth the UK and indeed the world, saw in the first half of the Noughties was incredible and yet they still managed to royally bugger it up with all the chickens coming home to roost when the crash happened.

Anyone else look at that and think "Scorched Earth Policy"

That end of term statistic alone should scare the living crap out of the lot of us if these cretins get back in!!

[Asterix]

ShawCrossShark said:

Asterix said:

Sir Humphrey said:

garyhun said:

Didn't labour do that for 13 years?

They had a surplus in more years than the Tories ever managed under Thatcher and Major.

Lol - that's because Brown left the practices from the Tories intact for the first three years they were in power. Then he started thinking he could do better and the rest is history. The growth the UK and indeed the world, saw in the first half of the Noughties was incredible and yet they still managed to royally bugger it up with all the chickens coming home to roost when the crash happened.

Anyone else look at that and think "Scorched Earth Policy"

That end of term statistic alone should scare the living crap out of the lot of us if these cretins get back in!!

[JagLover]

Asterix said:

The trouble with Socialists is they always run out of other people's money!

[Moonhawk]

bennyboydurham said:

From the sale of the 3G licences and following Ken's spending plans for the first few years. Then they went nuts!

Don't forget old GB's sell off of $6.5 billion worth of UK gold reserves in 1999/2000 too.

It's easy to look like you are running a surplus if you are selling off all the assets. It's what happened after those assets have been sold that is the true measure - and oh look - the deficit headed south and kept going......funny that.

Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 24th September 13:21

[Foppo]

This coalition lot scare me when it comes to the N.H.S.

Cameron no thank you very weak jump up boy for the rich.

Clegg a two faced liar.Farage wants to go back to a white Britain from past times.

Labour will win next time because they might slow down the privatization of the N.H.S if that is still possible.

[dandarez]

Foppo said:

This coalition lot scare me when it comes to the N.H.S.

Cameron no thank you very weak jump up boy for the rich.

Clegg a two faced liar. Farage wants to go back to a white Britain from past times.

Labour will win next time because they might slow down the privatization of the N.H.S if that is still possible.

bold - I had to have a shake of the head at that daft comment!

[Sir Humphrey]

Asterix said:

Lol - that's because Brown left the practices from the Tories intact for the first three years they were in power. Then he started thinking he could do better and the rest is history. The growth the UK and indeed the world, saw in the first half of the Noughties was incredible and yet they still managed to royally bugger it up with all the chickens coming home to roost when the crash happened.

And all through the 80s Thatcher ran a deficit because....
Clue: she was also selling off assets and still didn't hit a surplus (which apparently Labour and John Major did).

[andymadmak]

Foppo said:

This coalition lot scare me when it comes to the N.H.S.

Cameron no thank you very weak jump up boy for the rich.

Clegg a two faced liar.Farage wants to go back to a white Britain from past times.

Labour will win next time because they might slow down the privatization of the N.H.S if that is still possible.

Interesting points there.. Cameron? I had absolutely no time for him whatsoever back in 2010, but the reality is he's not been a bad PM at all. At least he accepted the will of Parliament last year and stayed out of Syria, plus, by any reasonable analysis he has played a good hand with the Scottish Referendum (not allowing Salmond to drag him into debate) and looks to have Labour on the run with the subsequent "English votes" question. He currently has my grudging approval. Not sure where you get this "jump up boy for the rich" nonsense from... Reads like some half baked left slur to me. Care to substantiate your claim in some way?

As for the supposed "threat to the NHS" can you show me where that is? Last I saw we were spending ever larger bucket loads of cash on the NHS but were still struggling to deliver a pounds worth of medical care for every pound invested in the system. Is the FOPPO position that no money should ever be spent by the NHS on private sector provision, regardless of how inefficient or expensive the in-house alternative might be ? Is it the FOPPO view that the most important thing about the NHS is that it be wholly in the public sector, rather than (say) that the NHS should provide the best care to the most people for the most efficient use of tax payers funds?

What is this "privatisation of the NHS" of which you speak? Can you define what point "privatisation of the NHS" will have been deemed to have happened - given that Labour was not averse to private sector provision of certain services when they were last in power, and are showing no signs of retreating from those provisions were they to be elected to power next year? Why is it wrong for tax payers to insist on value for money when Governments take and spend their hard earned tax pounds?

FTR my personal view is that the raison d'être for the NHS should be the provision of health care of the highest possible standard to those in need of it. Free at the point of delivery - whoever is contracted to deliver it! I care not one jot whether my nurse is employed by the state or by Nuffield Trust. (actually, based on my past experience, I'd rather the Nuffield trained and supplied NHS nurses.....the in-house ones are frequently a bit lacking when it comes to ACTUALLY caring for their patients)

[andymadmak]

Sir Humphrey said:

And all through the 80s Thatcher ran a deficit because....

She was busy dealing with the mess the previous administrations had left behind.......





History repeats...

[Asterix]

Sir Humphrey said:

Asterix said:

Lol - that's because Brown left the practices from the Tories intact for the first three years they were in power. Then he started thinking he could do better and the rest is history. The growth the UK and indeed the world, saw in the first half of the Noughties was incredible and yet they still managed to royally bugger it up with all the chickens coming home to roost when the crash happened.

And all through the 80s Thatcher ran a deficit because....
Clue: she was also selling off assets and still didn't hit a surplus (which apparently Labour and John Major did).

She needed to because, oddly enough, there was zero capital left (not just cash but basically everything) after the previous Labour government.

[anonymous-user]

Asterix said:

She needed to because, oddly enough, there was zero capital left (not just cash but basically everything) after the previous Labour government.

The one that resulted in an IMF bailout you mean?

[Cobnapint]

Foppo said:

Labour will win next time because they might slow down the privatization of the N.H.S if that is still possible.

Erm, it was Labour that carried out a wholesale increase in the number of NHS Private Finance Initiatives that locked each Primary Care Trust into long term costly repayments.

This has led to lack of affordability and therefore reductions in the number of available beds; staff lay-offs; a&e and hospital closures; and loss of community services.

You were saying about Labour and the NHS....?

[vxr8mate]

Watched him on breakfast TV this morning trying to explain away his amnesia, he seemed like a prefect in front of an angry parent!

I couldn't help but imagine Malcolm Tucker screaming at the TV "Mention the f*****g deficit you stupid t**t!"

[anonymous-user]

vxr8mate said:

Watched him on breakfast TV this morning trying to explain away his amnesia, he seemed like a prefect in front of an angry parent!

I couldn't help but imagine Malcolm Tucker screaming at the TV "Mention the f*****g deficit you stupid t**t!"

Can you imagine the little twerp coming out of negotiations with Putin or the EU?

"Err, I forgot about mentioning that bit. Is it too late to go back and have another go?"

Bloody halfwit. He's not fit to lead a locak council, let alone a parliamentary party or a country. I despair that anyone thinks he is.

[Pebbles167]

Slaav said:

glazbagun said:

I stopped listening to Miliband after this interview. An 80 min speech would kill me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13971770

I voted No in the referendum but fk me, if this this is what's left to fight the Tories, UKIP & the SNP then the UK's dead already.

They have just been discussing his speech on breakfast TV and say he didn't have an auto cue but did forget loads

And having just watched this link, bloody hell.... He is a total dork! It's as if he is an Action Man toy and someone just pulls the string and the same sh*t keeps coming out!

How the hell is this man possibly the next PM?

God help us

Surely that CANNOT be real, if it were not on the BBC website I'd have instantly branded it as fake... surely not.

[Mr GrimNasty]

Moonhawk said:

Don't forget old GB's sell off of $6.5 billion worth of UK gold reserves in 1999/2000 too.

It's easy to look like you are running a surplus if you are selling off all the assets. It's what happened after those assets have been sold that is the true measure - and oh look - the deficit headed south and kept going......funny that.

Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 24th September 13:21

The priority there was a global bank rescue by the back door. Any other consequences were secondary.

[vxr8mate]

Pebbles167 said:

Slaav said:

glazbagun said:

I stopped listening to Miliband after this interview. An 80 min speech would kill me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13971770

I voted No in the referendum but fk me, if this this is what's left to fight the Tories, UKIP & the SNP then the UK's dead already.

They have just been discussing his speech on breakfast TV and say he didn't have an auto cue but did forget loads

And having just watched this link, bloody hell.... He is a total dork! It's as if he is an Action Man toy and someone just pulls the string and the same sh*t keeps coming out!

How the hell is this man possibly the next PM?

God help us

Surely that CANNOT be real, if it were not on the BBC website I'd have instantly branded it as fake... surely not.

That has to be a very good fake. I have to say it is mildly amusing though.

[andymadmak]

Pebbles167 said:

Surely that CANNOT be real, if it were not on the BBC website I'd have instantly branded it as fake... surely not.

Surely yes. It's real. (I saw the original interview) He could be your next PM. Weep for our country if that comes to pass.....

[Pebbles167]

His tone of voice, facial expressions, words... all exactly the same each time. Scary.