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Article said:
the hotel they were staying in in London was said to have become overcrowded
When working in London a few years ago there were one or two hotels among those we used for conferencing and training venues which instructed guests and visitors not to take the lift to the top floor, in these cases we found out by ignoring instructions and going there that the top floor was fully occupied but not by paying guests or business clients. There must be a lot of it around for this to happen with our small sample, and the hotels involved were far from bargain basement never mind bargain penthouse.
Blib said:
I am of the opinion that if the OP had included either a description of what the heck this thread was about, or possibly a cut n paste from the link, then there would be more response.
That's what I think about this.
I agree with this sentiment. It baffles me how so many people don't understand what SUBJECT means.That's what I think about this.
Vaud said:
It's not splitting hairs. It's fact. Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. They are seeking asylum. Many for very good reasons.
Rubbish, they have all crossed at least a few safe EU country's borders and hopped over the channel to get here.If they were seeking asylum based purely on fear for their lives then surely the 1st safe country they reached would do just fine?
As far as I can remember Italy, France, Spain or Greece don't go around murdering their own citizens nor Germany, Portugal or Belgium.
Therefore they strive to reach the UK because we do stupid things like putting them up in bloody hotel by the seaside free of charge, no doubt with a weekly benefit cheque as well.
Sure beats living in a tent in Calais........
pete a said:
Rubbish, they have all crossed at least a few safe EU country's borders and hopped over the channel to get here.
If they were seeking asylum based purely on fear for their lives then surely the 1st safe country they reached would do just fine?
As far as I can remember Italy, France, Spain or Greece don't go around murdering their own citizens nor Germany, Portugal or Belgium.
Therefore they strive to reach the UK because we do stupid things like putting them up in bloody hotel by the seaside free of charge, no doubt with a weekly benefit cheque as well.
Sure beats living in a tent in Calais........
I'm glad you know the details of all their applications, it's good to have someone from the home office posting here. If they were seeking asylum based purely on fear for their lives then surely the 1st safe country they reached would do just fine?
As far as I can remember Italy, France, Spain or Greece don't go around murdering their own citizens nor Germany, Portugal or Belgium.
Therefore they strive to reach the UK because we do stupid things like putting them up in bloody hotel by the seaside free of charge, no doubt with a weekly benefit cheque as well.
Sure beats living in a tent in Calais........
You know you can claim asylum when landing at an airport?
But this is PH, sweeping generalisations and prejudice applies,
A night at the Burstin costs £34 plus £5 asylum seeker benefit a day, the average overall cost of a night in immigration detention is £120, The Grand Burstin offers great value for money is what I think.
But seriously, I think it's the price we pay for living here (in a modern, decent and compassionate country) and in the grand scheme of things it's a pretty trivial cost.
The rise of the far right (fuelled by just this kind of story) is much closer to the top of things we should all worry about.
But seriously, I think it's the price we pay for living here (in a modern, decent and compassionate country) and in the grand scheme of things it's a pretty trivial cost.
The rise of the far right (fuelled by just this kind of story) is much closer to the top of things we should all worry about.
Paul671 said:
A night at the Burstin costs £34 plus £5 asylum seeker benefit a day, the average overall cost of a night in immigration detention is £120, The Grand Burstin offers great value for money is what I think.
And that's not even per person, its per room (I've stayed at the Burstin a few times, BTW - I use it as an outbound stopover point for my 9-monthly tobacco run to Belgium - Thank The Lord for the EU and the Single Market 
). The best deal I got in the last 3 years for a room for one night for two was £29, and I would expect that we are probably looking at somewhere around that figure given the "repeat business"Paul671 said:
The rise of the far right (fuelled by just this kind of story) is much closer to the top of things we should all worry about.
Absolutely. The less said about the other thread that the OP started on this the better, especially his inflammatory title, but this sort of misinformation plays right into the hands of the lunatics.Even on this thread we have had one ranter who seems blissfully unaware that you can claim asylum in any UK airport that has international flights, and prefers to blame every other EU country but this one of passing the problem on. As far as I am aware, airlines don't provide parachutes to asylum seekers to drop 'em off when they cross the EU border.
Mind you, the OP did forget to mention all the food, cars and wide screen TVs we're giving these people in addition to the best hotel that Folkestone has to offer
Paul671 said:
A night at the Burstin costs £34 plus £5 asylum seeker benefit a day, the average overall cost of a night in immigration detention is £120, The Grand Burstin offers great value for money is what I think.
But seriously, I think it's the price we pay for living here (in a modern, decent and compassionate country) and in the grand scheme of things it's a pretty trivial cost.
The rise of the far right (fuelled by just this kind of story) is much closer to the top of things we should all worry about.
Can't we just stick them in a field with some patrol tents? If it was a nice field I'm pretty sure I'd pick it over the Burstin.But seriously, I think it's the price we pay for living here (in a modern, decent and compassionate country) and in the grand scheme of things it's a pretty trivial cost.
The rise of the far right (fuelled by just this kind of story) is much closer to the top of things we should all worry about.
Vaud said:
I'm glad you know the details of all their applications, it's good to have someone from the home office posting here.
You know you can claim asylum when landing at an airport?
But this is PH, sweeping generalisations and prejudice applies,
I know that it is the way of the liberal left to just shout racist and right wing thug at anyone who holds a diffrent opinion to you on matters of imigration but that does not make you automatically correct.You know you can claim asylum when landing at an airport?
But this is PH, sweeping generalisations and prejudice applies,
Refering to the airport point raised by you and one other poster, yes i am aware that asylum can be sought when arriving at an airport, however i would point out that in percentage terms the number of people who have been able to buy an international ticket in their home country, travel to the airport, pass security checks and passport control and hopped on a plane to the UK who are geniuinely in danger of losing their lives or facing persecution in their home country is fairly low when compared to the amount arriving from France having crossed the continent after leaving their home country by car, foot, boat, raft etc...
In fact the ones who have put themselves through such an ordeal to get here are most likely the ones in genuine need, however those needs could be met in the 1st safe haven country? By passing straight through other safe countries and taking further risks to their own wellbeing to reach the UK, surely there must be other factors driving them, such as the fanatstic benfits they are likely to receive and the flourishing cash in hand black market work place in the UK's major cities.
Now I managed all of that without lowering myself to petty personal insults such as "ranter", hopefully you can do the same and stick to the facts.
Edited by pete a on Thursday 25th September 17:30
pete a said:
Rubbish, they have all crossed at least a few safe EU country's borders and hopped over the channel to get here.
If they were seeking asylum based purely on fear for their lives then surely the 1st safe country they reached would do just fine?
As far as I can remember Italy, France, Spain or Greece don't go around murdering their own citizens nor Germany, Portugal or Belgium.
Therefore they strive to reach the UK because we do stupid things like putting them up in bloody hotel by the seaside free of charge, no doubt with a weekly benefit cheque as well.
Sure beats living in a tent in Calais........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_RegulationIf they were seeking asylum based purely on fear for their lives then surely the 1st safe country they reached would do just fine?
As far as I can remember Italy, France, Spain or Greece don't go around murdering their own citizens nor Germany, Portugal or Belgium.
Therefore they strive to reach the UK because we do stupid things like putting them up in bloody hotel by the seaside free of charge, no doubt with a weekly benefit cheque as well.
Sure beats living in a tent in Calais........
I'm no expert (just a quick Google) but the EU has a common policy on asylum/immigration and the above seems to indicate that the first EU nation an asylum applicant enters is responsible regardless of whether they make it to the UK or not. It seems they can be quickly deported back to the country they entered through.
Also a quick check on Wikipedia (yeah I know) indicates that in 2012 Britain took in less asylum seekers per head than most of the rest of Europe and about the same as France (Malta took in 15x the amount per head). We also have extra laws (2007 UK borders act) which has made it much harder for asylum seekers and has reduced numbers.
I would suggest that some parts of the media have a strong anti-immigrant/asylum seeker agenda (no s
t right) and actually we are not the soft touch the papers make us out to be.And more, theyre having a nice holiday in Bournemoth now, fk me, is it any wonder Calais is overrun. 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-294077...
k me, is it any wonder Calais is overrun. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-294077...
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