Anyone else got a real bad feeling about the ISIL bombings?
Discussion
lord trumpton said:
Its hard to quantify or validate but I have an unnerving feeling that we are on the edge of a prolonged conflict that will be the death of many.
I know the government want us to believe that they will go drop a few bombs, take out some key targets and then ISIL will stop their terrorist acts and pipe down.
I fear it will unite rival Islamic groups and awaken many across far more places than Iraq and Syria. I fear we are on the precipice of a battle we can never truly win. A phase of fighting that will span a generation.
In the recent past we've invaded two Muslim countries, bombed another and interfered in a few more. Bombing a group of terrorists who even AlQ say have gone to far (admittedly that's mostly down to sour grapes IMO) isn't going to make things significantly worse than they are.I know the government want us to believe that they will go drop a few bombs, take out some key targets and then ISIL will stop their terrorist acts and pipe down.
I fear it will unite rival Islamic groups and awaken many across far more places than Iraq and Syria. I fear we are on the precipice of a battle we can never truly win. A phase of fighting that will span a generation.
It is easy to see that this was necessary, however once again it seems we have no real plan.
We have this idea that democracy is so good and yet every time we try to help people get it we see it go wrong if not now in the long term and make things worse.
There are many people who under communism got housed and fed now do not under a more democratic process. Under Saddam the vast majority of the people were safer and the country did better that it does now, under the Shah of Persia women were free and able to be educated just some examples.
Now we want change but there are too many in the area who want power for themselves and ISIS want power by fear.
You can always beat an enemy but what price do you want to pay. If the US had kept dropping bombs in Vietnam, had they ignored the massive loss of life of US forces, they might have won but then what?
For us now we want to beat ISIS but not harm anyone else, if we do all we see is the press posting pictures of dead women and kids. The governments hate Ashad and wanted to help the rebels, they now want to kill, against him, how screwed up can it get?
We need to let the forces get on with the bombing and to do what it takes to make these nut jobs stand down.
We have this idea that democracy is so good and yet every time we try to help people get it we see it go wrong if not now in the long term and make things worse.
There are many people who under communism got housed and fed now do not under a more democratic process. Under Saddam the vast majority of the people were safer and the country did better that it does now, under the Shah of Persia women were free and able to be educated just some examples.
Now we want change but there are too many in the area who want power for themselves and ISIS want power by fear.
You can always beat an enemy but what price do you want to pay. If the US had kept dropping bombs in Vietnam, had they ignored the massive loss of life of US forces, they might have won but then what?
For us now we want to beat ISIS but not harm anyone else, if we do all we see is the press posting pictures of dead women and kids. The governments hate Ashad and wanted to help the rebels, they now want to kill, against him, how screwed up can it get?
We need to let the forces get on with the bombing and to do what it takes to make these nut jobs stand down.
It's got all the halmarks of a fool's errand. Again.
A border that we will have to adhere to that the enemy wont? Check.
Asymmetric warfare against a guerrilla opponent? Check. (sounding familiar so far?)
Potentially dodgy allies? Check.
Enemy sympathisers at home that we won't do anything about? Oh yes.
If these people are worth erradicating, do it properly. Declare war. Close the borders to anyone from there or affiliated regions. Go all in, destroy the lot. Deal with any of their buddies at home as enemy combatants. Then get out.
If it's not worth doing that, then just protect our borders and stay the hell away. Messing around at the edges seems to achieve little except making a mess.
A border that we will have to adhere to that the enemy wont? Check.
Asymmetric warfare against a guerrilla opponent? Check. (sounding familiar so far?)
Potentially dodgy allies? Check.
Enemy sympathisers at home that we won't do anything about? Oh yes.
If these people are worth erradicating, do it properly. Declare war. Close the borders to anyone from there or affiliated regions. Go all in, destroy the lot. Deal with any of their buddies at home as enemy combatants. Then get out.
If it's not worth doing that, then just protect our borders and stay the hell away. Messing around at the edges seems to achieve little except making a mess.
spaximus said:
There are many people who under communism got housed and fed now do not under a more democratic process.
And many more who starved or who were shipped off for dissent. Plus MAD and ideologues who might go to war on a whim.spaximus said:
Under Saddam the vast majority of the people were safer and the country did better that it does now
Prior to ISIL Iraq was starting to turn round. A power vacuum like that left by Saddam was always going to make a mess (Should have done it properly in GW1.) and removing the police didn't help.spaximus said:
under the Shah of Persia women were free and able to be educated just some examples.
They have a greater proportion of women in higher education than we do. For most Iranians the change of ruler just meant a different bunch of secret police with a different bunch of rules.http://thediplomat.com/2013/09/the-slow-rise-of-ir...
ETA: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_gender_rest...
Edited by Bill on Monday 29th September 10:44
Tunku said:
The movement was derided by men fighting at the Front and was seen as part of the delusional outlook those at home had of the war.
Today, maybe military action is the right thing to do. I'm not the expert. There's nothing wrong with people questioning the decision though. If we must use WW1 jingoistic symbolism I'll counter with some Sassoon:
"If I were fierce, and bald, and short of breath
I'd live with scarlet majors at the Base,
And speed glum heroes up the line to death ... And when the war is done and youth stone dead I'd toddle safely home and die - in bed."
lord trumpton said:
Its hard to quantify or validate but I have an unnerving feeling that we are on the edge of a prolonged conflict that will be the death of many.
What, another one......We have been doing it for years, we always need somewhere to 'blood' our soldiers and test out weapons.
You can't have an national army that has never fired a shot in anger, and never been shot at, so this is just another one of those testing/proving grounds that the west has cultivated/caused/provoked for decades.
REALIST123 said:
lord trumpton said:
Its hard to quantify or validate but I have an unnerving feeling that we are on the edge of a prolonged conflict that will be the death of many.
I know the government want us to believe that they will go drop a few bombs, take out some key targets and then ISIL will stop their terrorist acts and pipe down.
I fear it will unite rival Islamic groups and awaken many across far more places than Iraq and Syria. I fear we are on the precipice of a battle we can never truly win. A phase of fighting that will span a generation.
I fear that you may be right. But is there a real alternative? They can't be left to carry on as they wish and I can't imagine any of these extremist groups sitting down to negotiate an agreement. I know the government want us to believe that they will go drop a few bombs, take out some key targets and then ISIL will stop their terrorist acts and pipe down.
I fear it will unite rival Islamic groups and awaken many across far more places than Iraq and Syria. I fear we are on the precipice of a battle we can never truly win. A phase of fighting that will span a generation.
t, Miliband, we are going in with one hand tied behind our back, unable to bomb the principal powerbases in Syria.We need to stop treating Islam and ISIS/ISIL/IS as separate entities. They are part of the same problem. What is important is that we in the UK control our borders and stop the creep of Islamic influence.
The below I always find interesting:
From themuslimissue.wordpress.com
Islam’s Effect At 2% Total Muslim Demographics
United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
Note: The Muslim population in Norway is 2.5-3% of total population. In 2011 Norweigan authorities reported that 100% of all rapes in the entire capital, Oslo, were committed by immigrants of which 90% were committed by Muslim immigrants.
Islam’s Effect At 5% Total Muslim Demographics
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 3.3%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
Islam’s Effect At 10% Total Muslim Demographics
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
Note: Sweden’s estimated Muslim population totaled 4% of the total population. In … studies based on police and court statistics, demonstrated that Muslims were responsible for 50% of the entire nation’s rape crimes and statistics. Based on the dramatic increase of rape cases in Sweden following Muslim immigration, the country has become the world’s foremost rape nation per capita.
Islam’s Effect At 15% Total Muslim Demographics
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
Islam’s Effect At 20% Total Muslim Demographics
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
Islam’s Effect At 40% Total Muslim Demographics
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, non-stop church destruction, Boko Haram, etc., such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
Nigeria – Muslim 50%
Muslim Effect At Up To 60% Of Population
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
Note: Slavery was reintroduced into Sudan under increased Muslim political rule. In 1995, Human Rights Watchfirst reported on slavery in Sudan in the context of the Second Sudanese Civil War. In 1996, two more reports emerged, one by a United Nations representative and another by reporters from the Baltimore Sun.
According to CBS news, slaves have been sold for $50 apiece. According to escaped slave Simon Deng, child slaves can be purchased for $10 in Sudan. Mr Deng received asylum in the U.S. and is working as a peace activist to educate, warn and inform the masses about the effect of Muslim influence and “creeping Sharia” on society.
Islam’s Effect At 80% Total Muslim Demographics
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Mali – Muslim 90%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
Islam’s Effect At 100% Total Muslim Demographics
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
“Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel.” — Leon Uris, “The Haj”
Conclusion and Footnote
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts nor schools nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
The below I always find interesting:
From themuslimissue.wordpress.com
Islam’s Effect At 2% Total Muslim Demographics
United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
Note: The Muslim population in Norway is 2.5-3% of total population. In 2011 Norweigan authorities reported that 100% of all rapes in the entire capital, Oslo, were committed by immigrants of which 90% were committed by Muslim immigrants.
Islam’s Effect At 5% Total Muslim Demographics
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 3.3%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
Islam’s Effect At 10% Total Muslim Demographics
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
Note: Sweden’s estimated Muslim population totaled 4% of the total population. In … studies based on police and court statistics, demonstrated that Muslims were responsible for 50% of the entire nation’s rape crimes and statistics. Based on the dramatic increase of rape cases in Sweden following Muslim immigration, the country has become the world’s foremost rape nation per capita.
Islam’s Effect At 15% Total Muslim Demographics
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
Islam’s Effect At 20% Total Muslim Demographics
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
Islam’s Effect At 40% Total Muslim Demographics
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, non-stop church destruction, Boko Haram, etc., such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
Nigeria – Muslim 50%
Muslim Effect At Up To 60% Of Population
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
Note: Slavery was reintroduced into Sudan under increased Muslim political rule. In 1995, Human Rights Watchfirst reported on slavery in Sudan in the context of the Second Sudanese Civil War. In 1996, two more reports emerged, one by a United Nations representative and another by reporters from the Baltimore Sun.
According to CBS news, slaves have been sold for $50 apiece. According to escaped slave Simon Deng, child slaves can be purchased for $10 in Sudan. Mr Deng received asylum in the U.S. and is working as a peace activist to educate, warn and inform the masses about the effect of Muslim influence and “creeping Sharia” on society.
Islam’s Effect At 80% Total Muslim Demographics
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Mali – Muslim 90%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
Islam’s Effect At 100% Total Muslim Demographics
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
“Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel.” — Leon Uris, “The Haj”
Conclusion and Footnote
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts nor schools nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Edited by HonestIago on Monday 29th September 13:17
Edited by HonestIago on Monday 29th September 13:18
I used to be quite the pacifist. A bit of a liberal, even a lefty, frankly.
Not anymore.
Lets just take a look at human history. The "hands across the world - lets all live in peace " narrative from the liberal democracies of the West is a pointless folly. It is never going to happen.
It seems that human nature ( at least, the nature of some sections of humanity ) is founded in the belief that people who are not the same as them must not be allowed to live. There are people who demand that you become the same as they are - and if you will not, they will kill you.
Given this sad realisation, I am of the view that wars are inevitable. We just have to do our best to limit their size, make them over as quickly as possible and , above all, the make sure we always win.
As far as radical Islam is concerned - we are on collision course. Conflict is inevitable. Even if only 5% of muslims follow the radical view of the Koran and take it literally, then that means there are perhaps 100million people out there who believe they have the right to live that trumps non believers. A small section of that group ( still millions of people ) think it is right that non-believers should be killed.
So lets go and find these people who want to kill us for not believing as they do. Lets go and kill them, as many of them as possible, before they kill us.
I have to say that writing this bothers me a lot. I would never have believed it even a few years ago. Such is the reality of the modern world. Its bloody awful, but it is what is is. Lets not try and pretend otherwise.
Not anymore.
Lets just take a look at human history. The "hands across the world - lets all live in peace " narrative from the liberal democracies of the West is a pointless folly. It is never going to happen.
It seems that human nature ( at least, the nature of some sections of humanity ) is founded in the belief that people who are not the same as them must not be allowed to live. There are people who demand that you become the same as they are - and if you will not, they will kill you.
Given this sad realisation, I am of the view that wars are inevitable. We just have to do our best to limit their size, make them over as quickly as possible and , above all, the make sure we always win.
As far as radical Islam is concerned - we are on collision course. Conflict is inevitable. Even if only 5% of muslims follow the radical view of the Koran and take it literally, then that means there are perhaps 100million people out there who believe they have the right to live that trumps non believers. A small section of that group ( still millions of people ) think it is right that non-believers should be killed.
So lets go and find these people who want to kill us for not believing as they do. Lets go and kill them, as many of them as possible, before they kill us.
I have to say that writing this bothers me a lot. I would never have believed it even a few years ago. Such is the reality of the modern world. Its bloody awful, but it is what is is. Lets not try and pretend otherwise.
As others have said, the ME is about to be redrawn into Sunni and Shia regions, replacing the artificial colonial countries that have been around for the last 50 years. The ones that needed dictators to keep them working.
Will prob take 20 years and millions will die or be forced to move. It is necessary and the west will lubricate it - as while they are fighting each other, they arnt fighting us.
Will prob take 20 years and millions will die or be forced to move. It is necessary and the west will lubricate it - as while they are fighting each other, they arnt fighting us.
My fear is a simple one. That politicians are driven by the need to do something whilst at the same time I fear they are lacking the spine to do what is actually necessary. Coupled with the nature of our politics that anyone actually suggesting what is necessary will be decried and ridiculed by the opposition to score points.
Caveat: I do not advocate something stupid/over the top as "necessary", indeed I don't know quite what the solution is. I am confident however, that the current crop of politicians won't get there either, paralysed by their own job security.
Caveat: I do not advocate something stupid/over the top as "necessary", indeed I don't know quite what the solution is. I am confident however, that the current crop of politicians won't get there either, paralysed by their own job security.
As I've said from the outset, we have no defined target.
How devout/fanatical must a Muslim be to be defined as radical or extremist? On a scale of 1 to 10, it's pretty simple to define characteristics for either end of the scale, but what of the middle? And how do we expect 'unextreme' Mulsims not to be radicalised if and when our campaign touches their lives and families?
We need to be very clear; what are for for and what are we against.
How devout/fanatical must a Muslim be to be defined as radical or extremist? On a scale of 1 to 10, it's pretty simple to define characteristics for either end of the scale, but what of the middle? And how do we expect 'unextreme' Mulsims not to be radicalised if and when our campaign touches their lives and families?
We need to be very clear; what are for for and what are we against.
HonestIago said:
Zod said:
I get the impression that you don't like Muslims, Iago.
(interesting name for someone with such views)
I don't like Islam, key difference. Do you like Islam? Would you like it to have greater influence in Britain and world?(interesting name for someone with such views)
do you rule out far greater Islamic influence in the years to come & the compromise of "western" custom/ values? I do not.
The genie is out, and the genie is not atheist.
Mermaid said:
HonestIago said:
Zod said:
I get the impression that you don't like Muslims, Iago.
(interesting name for someone with such views)
I don't like Islam, key difference. Do you like Islam? Would you like it to have greater influence in Britain and world?(interesting name for someone with such views)
do you rule out far greater Islamic influence in the years to come & the compromise of "western" custom/ values? I do not.
The genie is out, and the genie is not atheist.
Quite plain to see if you open your eyes.
Before anyone jumps on the racist wagon, dont forget its a religion, not a race.
toppstuff said:
I used to be quite the pacifist. A bit of a liberal, even a lefty, frankly.
Not anymore.
Lets just take a look at human history. The "hands across the world - lets all live in peace " narrative from the liberal democracies of the West is a pointless folly. It is never going to happen.
It seems that human nature ( at least, the nature of some sections of humanity ) is founded in the belief that people who are not the same as them must not be allowed to live. There are people who demand that you become the same as they are - and if you will not, they will kill you.
Given this sad realisation, I am of the view that wars are inevitable. We just have to do our best to limit their size, make them over as quickly as possible and , above all, the make sure we always win.
As far as radical Islam is concerned - we are on collision course. Conflict is inevitable. Even if only 5% of muslims follow the radical view of the Koran and take it literally, then that means there are perhaps 100million people out there who believe they have the right to live that trumps non believers. A small section of that group ( still millions of people ) think it is right that non-believers should be killed.
So lets go and find these people who want to kill us for not believing as they do. Lets go and kill them, as many of them as possible, before they kill us.
I have to say that writing this bothers me a lot. I would never have believed it even a few years ago. Such is the reality of the modern world. Its bloody awful, but it is what is is. Lets not try and pretend otherwise.
Let's all blow this planet up to kingdom come.We are falling for a cabal who want us to be at war for ever.Terrorism fear spread hatred against one religion against the other.You and me are the modern world we live on one earth which is a beautiful place.Not anymore.
Lets just take a look at human history. The "hands across the world - lets all live in peace " narrative from the liberal democracies of the West is a pointless folly. It is never going to happen.
It seems that human nature ( at least, the nature of some sections of humanity ) is founded in the belief that people who are not the same as them must not be allowed to live. There are people who demand that you become the same as they are - and if you will not, they will kill you.
Given this sad realisation, I am of the view that wars are inevitable. We just have to do our best to limit their size, make them over as quickly as possible and , above all, the make sure we always win.
As far as radical Islam is concerned - we are on collision course. Conflict is inevitable. Even if only 5% of muslims follow the radical view of the Koran and take it literally, then that means there are perhaps 100million people out there who believe they have the right to live that trumps non believers. A small section of that group ( still millions of people ) think it is right that non-believers should be killed.
So lets go and find these people who want to kill us for not believing as they do. Lets go and kill them, as many of them as possible, before they kill us.
I have to say that writing this bothers me a lot. I would never have believed it even a few years ago. Such is the reality of the modern world. Its bloody awful, but it is what is is. Lets not try and pretend otherwise.
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