Anyone else got a real bad feeling about the ISIL bombings?
Discussion
Foppo said:
Let's all blow this planet up to kingdom come.We are falling for a cabal who want us to be at war for ever.Terrorism fear spread hatred against one religion against the other.You and me are the modern world we live on one earth which is a beautiful place.
Yes the world is a beautiful place. Unfortunately at the moment there are people living on our planet who do not want to share our home with us. They want to kill you and I, remove us from the world because we are not the same as them.
Their position can not be negotiated. They don't want to talk to you. They do not want to share. They want to kill you and anyone who does not have the same view as them.
What would you do with them?
HonestIago said:
King Herald said:
Where did you cut and paste that load of bulls
t from???????
http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/t from???????I stupidly clicked the link at work. It has been listed as "Violence/Hate/Racism". ie. not really anything that would even begin to help any form of sensible debate.
There is no "muslim" issue. I have plenty of muslim friends/colleagues. Never a problem with any of them. Similar no problems with any of my devoutly christian friends. I'm an atheist, and the lot of us (christian, muslim, atheist) seem to be able to get along without any problems.
The problem is extremists, regardless of the religion they claim to "represent".
Edited by clonmult on Monday 29th September 14:08
toppstuff said:
Yes the world is a beautiful place. Unfortunately at the moment there are people living on our planet who do not want to share our home with us.
They want to kill you and I, remove us from the world because we are not the same as them.
Their position can not be negotiated. They don't want to talk to you. They do not want to share. They want to kill you and anyone who does not have the same view as them.
What would you do with them?
It's always been like that, and always will. The truly saddening thing is that technology means that the clashes are now much more devastating. They want to kill you and I, remove us from the world because we are not the same as them.
Their position can not be negotiated. They don't want to talk to you. They do not want to share. They want to kill you and anyone who does not have the same view as them.
What would you do with them?
It's only a matter of time (in our lifetime) until the crazy nations get nuclear weapons. The mad dogs already use WMD's. I dread to think what will happen when they have easy access to the worst stuff. I honesty and truly believe that the world will wipe itself out in the next 200 years.
You are right to feel queasy. IS is the physical manifestation of years of failed policy in the ME. Their existence also directly confronts the Western propaganda about liberation.
Their ranks will continue to swell thanks to drone attacks, bombings, and the likely reintroduction of ground troops into the region. Western countries will become increasingly securitized and paranoid. Don't really see how we can turn it around now; IS represents the concept of blowback in its purest form.
Their ranks will continue to swell thanks to drone attacks, bombings, and the likely reintroduction of ground troops into the region. Western countries will become increasingly securitized and paranoid. Don't really see how we can turn it around now; IS represents the concept of blowback in its purest form.
clonmult said:
The sections that you pasted looked about as wrong as could be.
What exactly? So higher Muslim populations don't make for less free/liberal/safe societies?
I stupidly clicked the link at work. It has been listed as "Violence/Hate/Racism". ie. not really anything that would even begin to help any form of sensible debate.
Works fine at mine. Can't see anything on that blog promoting violence. Islam is not a race.
There is no "muslim" issue. I have plenty of muslim friends/colleagues. Never a problem with any of them. Similar no problems with any of my devoutly christian friends. I'm an atheist, and the lot of us (christian, muslim, atheist) seem to be able to get along without any problems.
Okay, your "friends" specifically haven't carried out any atrocities so therefore there is no problem with the ideology they have been brainwashed into following...right.
The problem is extremists, regardless of the religion they claim to "represent".
...yes there's a terrible global problem with all those "extremist" Sikhs, Buddhists and Hindus. Why is it principally Islam that these "extremists" claim to represent?
What exactly? So higher Muslim populations don't make for less free/liberal/safe societies?
I stupidly clicked the link at work. It has been listed as "Violence/Hate/Racism". ie. not really anything that would even begin to help any form of sensible debate.
Works fine at mine. Can't see anything on that blog promoting violence. Islam is not a race.
There is no "muslim" issue. I have plenty of muslim friends/colleagues. Never a problem with any of them. Similar no problems with any of my devoutly christian friends. I'm an atheist, and the lot of us (christian, muslim, atheist) seem to be able to get along without any problems.
Okay, your "friends" specifically haven't carried out any atrocities so therefore there is no problem with the ideology they have been brainwashed into following...right.
The problem is extremists, regardless of the religion they claim to "represent".
...yes there's a terrible global problem with all those "extremist" Sikhs, Buddhists and Hindus. Why is it principally Islam that these "extremists" claim to represent?
Edited by clonmult on Monday 29th September 14:08
clonmult said:
The sections that you pasted looked about as wrong as could be.
I stupidly clicked the link at work. It has been listed as "Violence/Hate/Racism". ie. not really anything that would even begin to help any form of sensible debate.
There is no "muslim" issue. I have plenty of muslim friends/colleagues. Never a problem with any of them. Similar no problems with any of my devoutly christian friends. I'm an atheist, and the lot of us (christian, muslim, atheist) seem to be able to get along without any problems.
The problem is extremists, regardless of the religion they claim to "represent".
This just got me wondering, I and everyone in my friend ground is atheist, or at most agnostic - even that makes me cringe. But I can't possibly take any one that is devoutly religious seriously. I mean it's such utter bI stupidly clicked the link at work. It has been listed as "Violence/Hate/Racism". ie. not really anything that would even begin to help any form of sensible debate.
There is no "muslim" issue. I have plenty of muslim friends/colleagues. Never a problem with any of them. Similar no problems with any of my devoutly christian friends. I'm an atheist, and the lot of us (christian, muslim, atheist) seem to be able to get along without any problems.
The problem is extremists, regardless of the religion they claim to "represent".
Edited by clonmult on Monday 29th September 14:08
ks that I just don't understand how anyone can be stupid enough to believe in any type of god or creationism for no other reason than a book tells them to. Am I wrong? Is anyone else like this?I watched these two films recently and it just hammered home my thoughts even more so.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/?ref_=nv_sr_1
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2636522/?ref_=nv_sr_1
CrutyRammers said:
There is an issue of compatability, a big one. Every so often it surfaces here, be it riots in Burnley, rows over halal meat, or whatever. It's not just "extremists".
"The World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39% (Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 23.2%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01% (2010 est.)
From a western & Christian perspective, amazing how Hinduism & Buddhism followers (almost as many as Muslims) keep their head down & get on with their faith quietly.
I feel a little sorry for non-Muslims here who desperately defend Islam...just as they've been brainwashed to do by the political establishment, Common-Purpose and the MSM. The sad thing is that they genuinely feel they are in the right and that anyone opposed to Islamification is a bigot/racist/xenophobe etc. They have no concept of how unbearable their existence would become were they to live in a Muslim-dominant country. Nor the existence of their gay/lesbian/female friends...
scherzkeks said:
You are right to feel queasy. IS is the physical manifestation of years of failed policy in the ME. Their existence also directly confronts the Western propaganda about liberation.
Their ranks will continue to swell thanks to drone attacks, bombings, and the likely reintroduction of ground troops into the region. Western countries will become increasingly securitized and paranoid. Don't really see how we can turn it around now; IS represents the concept of blowback in its purest form.
I dont agree. While IS has been given the freedom to exist it lacked when the regions oppressors were around ( the ones we rather unwisely destroyed ) the origins of the caliphate predate any Western excursions into the region.Their ranks will continue to swell thanks to drone attacks, bombings, and the likely reintroduction of ground troops into the region. Western countries will become increasingly securitized and paranoid. Don't really see how we can turn it around now; IS represents the concept of blowback in its purest form.
Islamic fascism and its quest to destroy non believers is way, way older than Bush and Blair. It goes back to when Baby Jesus was a toddler.
I don't think we should really beat ourselves up about it too much. We should have left Saddam and Gaddafi well alone, but the past is another country.
IS exists to kill you and me and impose its values everywhere it can. All we can really do is kill as many of them as we can and contain them as much as possible.
HonestIago said:
clonmult said:
The sections that you pasted looked about as wrong as could be.
What exactly? So higher Muslim populations don't make for less free/liberal/safe societies?
I stupidly clicked the link at work. It has been listed as "Violence/Hate/Racism". ie. not really anything that would even begin to help any form of sensible debate.
Works fine at mine. Can't see anything on that blog promoting violence. Islam is not a race.
There is no "muslim" issue. I have plenty of muslim friends/colleagues. Never a problem with any of them. Similar no problems with any of my devoutly christian friends. I'm an atheist, and the lot of us (christian, muslim, atheist) seem to be able to get along without any problems.
Okay, your "friends" specifically haven't carried out any atrocities so therefore there is no problem with the ideology they have been brainwashed into following...right.
The problem is extremists, regardless of the religion they claim to "represent".
...yes there's a terrible global problem with all those "extremist" Sikhs, Buddhists and Hindus. Why is it principally Islam that these "extremists" claim to represent?
What exactly? So higher Muslim populations don't make for less free/liberal/safe societies?
I stupidly clicked the link at work. It has been listed as "Violence/Hate/Racism". ie. not really anything that would even begin to help any form of sensible debate.
Works fine at mine. Can't see anything on that blog promoting violence. Islam is not a race.
There is no "muslim" issue. I have plenty of muslim friends/colleagues. Never a problem with any of them. Similar no problems with any of my devoutly christian friends. I'm an atheist, and the lot of us (christian, muslim, atheist) seem to be able to get along without any problems.
Okay, your "friends" specifically haven't carried out any atrocities so therefore there is no problem with the ideology they have been brainwashed into following...right.
The problem is extremists, regardless of the religion they claim to "represent".
...yes there's a terrible global problem with all those "extremist" Sikhs, Buddhists and Hindus. Why is it principally Islam that these "extremists" claim to represent?
Edited by clonmult on Monday 29th September 14:08
Whilst I don't believe they haven't turned to outright violence, the Westboro Baptists are definitely extremists in their views, and there are plenty of other groups populated with similarly insane members.
Your attitude is just as bad as the extremists.
HonestIago said:
I feel a little sorry for non-Muslims here who desperately defend Islam...just as they've been brainwashed to do by the political establishment, Common-Purpose and the MSM. The sad thing is that they genuinely feel they are in the right and that anyone opposed to Islamification is a bigot/racist/xenophobe etc. They have no concept of how unbearable their existence would become were they to live in a Muslim-dominant country. Nor the existence of their gay/lesbian/female friends...
How many gay friends do you have?Mermaid said:
Interesting. Do you see this as against the West, or other Muslims they consider "unworthy".
Both, but the former is largely the result of long-term covert and overt attempts to expand Western power in the ME, and the latter the logical outcome for any group that resists a more powerful adversary in a context like this one.Boydie88 said:
clonmult said:
The sections that you pasted looked about as wrong as could be.
I stupidly clicked the link at work. It has been listed as "Violence/Hate/Racism". ie. not really anything that would even begin to help any form of sensible debate.
There is no "muslim" issue. I have plenty of muslim friends/colleagues. Never a problem with any of them. Similar no problems with any of my devoutly christian friends. I'm an atheist, and the lot of us (christian, muslim, atheist) seem to be able to get along without any problems.
The problem is extremists, regardless of the religion they claim to "represent".
This just got me wondering, I and everyone in my friend ground is atheist, or at most agnostic - even that makes me cringe. But I can't possibly take any one that is devoutly religious seriously. I mean it's such utter bI stupidly clicked the link at work. It has been listed as "Violence/Hate/Racism". ie. not really anything that would even begin to help any form of sensible debate.
There is no "muslim" issue. I have plenty of muslim friends/colleagues. Never a problem with any of them. Similar no problems with any of my devoutly christian friends. I'm an atheist, and the lot of us (christian, muslim, atheist) seem to be able to get along without any problems.
The problem is extremists, regardless of the religion they claim to "represent".
Edited by clonmult on Monday 29th September 14:08
ks that I just don't understand how anyone can be stupid enough to believe in any type of god or creationism for no other reason than a book tells them to. Am I wrong? Is anyone else like this?I watched these two films recently and it just hammered home my thoughts even more so.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/?ref_=nv_sr_1
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2636522/?ref_=nv_sr_1
I've been in a very diverse and undestand group of people at work for quite a few years. There are a couple of guys that I go to boxercise class with (we turn it more into boxing). And on occasion the discussion has turned to religion, some of us know it as the fabrication that it genuinely is, whereas the others believe that the fictional work known as the bible represents something that is quite unbelievable but actually happened.
Sometimes it is difficult to reconcile an otherwise intelligent person believing in an all encompassing deity, but it doesn't impact the daily lives of those I know who are deeply religious. We don't force our beliefs down each other throats. Vive la difference or something.
clonmult said:
Blimey, you live in such a ridiculously blinkered world, eh? Must be great to not have a damn clue. There will be extremists in most belief systems, for whatever reason they don't generally get so much press. And remember that there are christian extremists.
Whilst I don't believe they haven't turned to outright violence, the Westboro Baptists are definitely extremists in their views, and there are plenty of other groups populated with similarly insane members.
Your attitude is just as bad as the extremists.
You'd know! Whilst I don't believe they haven't turned to outright violence, the Westboro Baptists are definitely extremists in their views, and there are plenty of other groups populated with similarly insane members.
Your attitude is just as bad as the extremists.
Yes I am sure there is a Buddhist Terrorist cell decapitating people as we speak, it must just be a media cover-up preventing word getting out.
Christian extremists exist in spite of their religion...not as a direct result of its teachings. There is a difference.
The Westboro Baptist Church, although vile, haven't to my knowledge physically harmed anyone. They are so tiny so as to be insignificant. Were they not revealed as just a scam to extract money from local authorities whom they sued for failing to protect them at demonstrations?
The fact that you raise them as an example of religious extremism in the same context as ISIS is absolutely laughable.
Boydie88 said:
clonmult said:
The sections that you pasted looked about as wrong as could be.
I stupidly clicked the link at work. It has been listed as "Violence/Hate/Racism". ie. not really anything that would even begin to help any form of sensible debate.
There is no "muslim" issue. I have plenty of muslim friends/colleagues. Never a problem with any of them. Similar no problems with any of my devoutly christian friends. I'm an atheist, and the lot of us (christian, muslim, atheist) seem to be able to get along without any problems.
The problem is extremists, regardless of the religion they claim to "represent".
This just got me wondering, I and everyone in my friend ground is atheist, or at most agnostic - even that makes me cringe. But I can't possibly take any one that is devoutly religious seriously. I mean it's such utter bI stupidly clicked the link at work. It has been listed as "Violence/Hate/Racism". ie. not really anything that would even begin to help any form of sensible debate.
There is no "muslim" issue. I have plenty of muslim friends/colleagues. Never a problem with any of them. Similar no problems with any of my devoutly christian friends. I'm an atheist, and the lot of us (christian, muslim, atheist) seem to be able to get along without any problems.
The problem is extremists, regardless of the religion they claim to "represent".
Edited by clonmult on Monday 29th September 14:08
ks that I just don't understand how anyone can be stupid enough to believe in any type of god or creationism for no other reason than a book tells them to. Am I wrong? Is anyone else like this?I watched these two films recently and it just hammered home my thoughts even more so.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/?ref_=nv_sr_1
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2636522/?ref_=nv_sr_1
"The other night me and a few mates were getting chased by a load of guys from the pub, headed off by the river, Jon said to follow him and he parted the river and we all ran through. Amazingly when the guys chasing us tried it, the rived closed and they were all washed away, close shave though.
We all went back to Jons house, all starving where we opened the cupboards and we were all gutted to find one pot noodle. Jon said not to worry and in a flash he turned one pot noodleinto 20. Top guy is Jon!"
Funny thing is people believe it, if its written in a book hundreds of years old, however if you say it happened on Friday night, you would have all sharp objects taken from you and rightly taken away for you own good!!!
Dont even get me started on how Jon got badly beaten up and sadly passed away. We were all devistated, however 4 days later he rose from the dead....
Zod said:
HonestIago said:
I feel a little sorry for non-Muslims here who desperately defend Islam...just as they've been brainwashed to do by the political establishment, Common-Purpose and the MSM. The sad thing is that they genuinely feel they are in the right and that anyone opposed to Islamification is a bigot/racist/xenophobe etc. They have no concept of how unbearable their existence would become were they to live in a Muslim-dominant country. Nor the existence of their gay/lesbian/female friends...
How many gay friends do you have?HonestIago said:
Yes I am sure there is a Buddhist Terrorist cell decapitating people as we speak, it must just be a media cover-up preventing word getting out...
Seriously, Buddhist-on-Buddhist violence is rife, and Buddhist against other religion violence is also not unheard of.There are protests pretty much everywhere the Dalai Lama goes: http://www.westernshugdensociety.org/video/dalai-l...
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