Labour stretches lead over Tories
Discussion
kingofdbrits said:
This is key for the little circle i move in, people i talk to don't Feel any better off. Personally I put this down to Energy costs. My petrol bill for 13-14 was £7341 (though much was claimed back, still paying tax on it), gas & elec was over £2500, as a result of high energy costs, everything costs more. So while I’ve had some pay increases I’m still worse off as my money doesn't go as far as it did 5+ years ago.
So from not giving a seconds thought to energy costs a few years ago to it being something i need to budget for as it's now the third biggest fix cost in my spreadsheet. I think this was the goal of the greenies, make us use less by forcing the costs up, but that's another debate.
I can't understand why anyone would have made a reasoned decision just yet about who to vote for, before the big parties have explained themselves, personally a vote winner for me will be energy policy, and i think Labours will be a bad one, or should i say, worse than the Tories?
One of the most truthful posts I have read in a while on here. Pretty much how we feel about gas and electric prices.I then start to wonder just how much its due to green extras being factored in.So from not giving a seconds thought to energy costs a few years ago to it being something i need to budget for as it's now the third biggest fix cost in my spreadsheet. I think this was the goal of the greenies, make us use less by forcing the costs up, but that's another debate.
I can't understand why anyone would have made a reasoned decision just yet about who to vote for, before the big parties have explained themselves, personally a vote winner for me will be energy policy, and i think Labours will be a bad one, or should i say, worse than the Tories?
gpo746 said:
kingofdbrits said:
This is key for the little circle i move in, people i talk to don't Feel any better off. Personally I put this down to Energy costs. My petrol bill for 13-14 was £7341 (though much was claimed back, still paying tax on it), gas & elec was over £2500, as a result of high energy costs, everything costs more. So while I’ve had some pay increases I’m still worse off as my money doesn't go as far as it did 5+ years ago.
So from not giving a seconds thought to energy costs a few years ago to it being something i need to budget for as it's now the third biggest fix cost in my spreadsheet. I think this was the goal of the greenies, make us use less by forcing the costs up, but that's another debate.
I can't understand why anyone would have made a reasoned decision just yet about who to vote for, before the big parties have explained themselves, personally a vote winner for me will be energy policy, and i think Labours will be a bad one, or should i say, worse than the Tories?
One of the most truthful posts I have read in a while on here. Pretty much how we feel about gas and electric prices.I then start to wonder just how much its due to green extras being factored in.So from not giving a seconds thought to energy costs a few years ago to it being something i need to budget for as it's now the third biggest fix cost in my spreadsheet. I think this was the goal of the greenies, make us use less by forcing the costs up, but that's another debate.
I can't understand why anyone would have made a reasoned decision just yet about who to vote for, before the big parties have explained themselves, personally a vote winner for me will be energy policy, and i think Labours will be a bad one, or should i say, worse than the Tories?
People will of course reduce domestic consumption dramatically so there will in effect be no rise (+1% est) in actual bills by 2020.
Part of the reason for the lead in the polls has got to be the disarray in the tory party. This is always a downer for the electorate. The labour party vote dropped when there was infighting amongst the party - not to mention the gang of four +1 - and Thatcher, hardly popular before the election, got in.
Once her qualities were seen, not the least keeping the idiots in check, the electorate favoured her. It took a while and for a time she was the most unpopular PM ever. (This was before Brown, and whilst I haven't got any stats for him, I would suspect that in this, and this alone, he actually beat Thatcher.)
What cost Major the election was infighting. The nutty right did for him what the nutty left did for labour, making the party unelectable. Hence Blair. Once in position, and controlling the wild ones, the electorate were quite happy for him to stay.
Cameron comes over as unable to control the squabbling. The UKIP rise has taken some of the heat away from his failures, and had it not been for them (and Miliband and especially Harman) labour would have a substantial lead by now.
It is the uncommitted voter which decides which way the election will go, hence this 'don't tax pensions' bit of grandstanding from Cameron.
I know one uncommitted voter who is trying to decide which is the least worst option. And it ain't Cameron.
Once her qualities were seen, not the least keeping the idiots in check, the electorate favoured her. It took a while and for a time she was the most unpopular PM ever. (This was before Brown, and whilst I haven't got any stats for him, I would suspect that in this, and this alone, he actually beat Thatcher.)
What cost Major the election was infighting. The nutty right did for him what the nutty left did for labour, making the party unelectable. Hence Blair. Once in position, and controlling the wild ones, the electorate were quite happy for him to stay.
Cameron comes over as unable to control the squabbling. The UKIP rise has taken some of the heat away from his failures, and had it not been for them (and Miliband and especially Harman) labour would have a substantial lead by now.
It is the uncommitted voter which decides which way the election will go, hence this 'don't tax pensions' bit of grandstanding from Cameron.
I know one uncommitted voter who is trying to decide which is the least worst option. And it ain't Cameron.
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
Do not fret Ladies and Gentlemen, you can still enjoy Pistonheads from any corner of the globe that you care to depart to.The only hope is that Lib-Dems continue in coalition Government and moderate the worst excesses of Labour.
LibDem's historical positioning to the left of Labour doesn't bode well. It's in the eye of the beholder, some say, but the rest know the score.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/i...
Whether the Labour Party has the stomach for it is debatable.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/forge...
"A solo Labour government might in fact benefit the Lib Dems, who would be seeking to rebuild credibility after their much-anticipated election wipeout."
DJRC said:
crankedup said:
Do not fret Ladies and Gentlemen, you can still enjoy Pistonheads from any corner of the globe that you care to depart to.The only hope is that Lib-Dems continue in coalition Government and moderate the worst excesses of Labour.
You haven't yet justified what worst excesses of Toryism they have moderated...Politics is subjective with no definitive answers that will satisfy all readers, I'm afraid it would be pointless preparing a list.
Rovinghawk said:
Gargamel said:
They have only got 7 months left and a legislative agenda that is totally bare.
To many voters it's not about substance so much as image & perception. It's possible the conservatives are keeping their best PR stuff for nearer the time so as to maximise memory retention in the more goldfish-like electorate.crankedup said:
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
Do not fret Ladies and Gentlemen, you can still enjoy Pistonheads from any corner of the globe that you care to depart to.The only hope is that Lib-Dems continue in coalition Government and moderate the worst excesses of Labour.
LibDem's historical positioning to the left of Labour doesn't bode well. It's in the eye of the beholder, some say, but the rest know the score.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/i...
Whether the Labour Party has the stomach for it is debatable.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/forge...
"A solo Labour government might in fact benefit the Lib Dems, who would be seeking to rebuild credibility after their much-anticipated election wipeout."
maybe I should have said hysterical positioning 
crankedup said:
...and the Labour Party has since been busy reaffirming its own Socialist leanings following Blairs foray into the centre ground. I still read the Lib-Dems as a centre led Party, although I have to admit, rather grudgingly, that the polls do not yet bode well for them. Yes a new leader and ten years rebuild could be the order of the day for Lib-Dems, otherwise known as 'political wilderness'.
Time for a darkened room and at least one hour's rub down with a wet Sporting Life - we agree! Albeit on the LibDem's upcoming demise.crankedup said:
Do not fret Ladies and Gentlemen, you can still enjoy Pistonheads from any corner of the globe that you care to depart to.The only hope is that Lib-Dems continue in coalition Government and moderate the worst excesses of Labour.
I can confirm that Pistonheads is available in the Caribbean and has been since the last Labour government was busy destroying the country. I'd rather see a Labour landslide than another LibDem coalition. fblm said:
crankedup said:
Do not fret Ladies and Gentlemen, you can still enjoy Pistonheads from any corner of the globe that you care to depart to.The only hope is that Lib-Dems continue in coalition Government and moderate the worst excesses of Labour.
I can confirm that Pistonheads is available in the Caribbean and has been since the last Labour government was busy destroying the country. I'd rather see a Labour landslide than another LibDem coalition. As for the next Government personal preferences, well its what voting is for and thankfully we are able to continue our democratic choices.
Derek Smith said:
Part of the reason for the lead in the polls has got to be the disarray in the tory party. This is always a downer for the electorate. The labour party vote dropped when there was infighting amongst the party - not to mention the gang of four +1 - and Thatcher, hardly popular before the election, got in.
Once her qualities were seen, not the least keeping the idiots in check, the electorate favoured her. It took a while and for a time she was the most unpopular PM ever. (This was before Brown, and whilst I haven't got any stats for him, I would suspect that in this, and this alone, he actually beat Thatcher.)
What cost Major the election was infighting. The nutty right did for him what the nutty left did for labour, making the party unelectable. Hence Blair. Once in position, and controlling the wild ones, the electorate were quite happy for him to stay.
Cameron comes over as unable to control the squabbling. The UKIP rise has taken some of the heat away from his failures, and had it not been for them (and Miliband and especially Harman) labour would have a substantial lead by now.
It is the uncommitted voter which decides which way the election will go, hence this 'don't tax pensions' bit of grandstanding from Cameron.
I know one uncommitted voter who is trying to decide which is the least worst option. And it ain't Cameron.
I have often heard it said that Thatchers populism rose sharply on the back of the Falklands conflict. She was generally considered to be unpopular until that point in time? Interested in you POV on this.Once her qualities were seen, not the least keeping the idiots in check, the electorate favoured her. It took a while and for a time she was the most unpopular PM ever. (This was before Brown, and whilst I haven't got any stats for him, I would suspect that in this, and this alone, he actually beat Thatcher.)
What cost Major the election was infighting. The nutty right did for him what the nutty left did for labour, making the party unelectable. Hence Blair. Once in position, and controlling the wild ones, the electorate were quite happy for him to stay.
Cameron comes over as unable to control the squabbling. The UKIP rise has taken some of the heat away from his failures, and had it not been for them (and Miliband and especially Harman) labour would have a substantial lead by now.
It is the uncommitted voter which decides which way the election will go, hence this 'don't tax pensions' bit of grandstanding from Cameron.
I know one uncommitted voter who is trying to decide which is the least worst option. And it ain't Cameron.
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
Do not fret Ladies and Gentlemen, you can still enjoy Pistonheads from any corner of the globe that you care to depart to.The only hope is that Lib-Dems continue in coalition Government and moderate the worst excesses of Labour.
LibDem's historical positioning to the left of Labour doesn't bode well. It's in the eye of the beholder, some say, but the rest know the score.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/i...
Whether the Labour Party has the stomach for it is debatable.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/forge...
"A solo Labour government might in fact benefit the Lib Dems, who would be seeking to rebuild credibility after their much-anticipated election wipeout."
maybe I should have said hysterical positioning crankedup said:
...and the Labour Party has since been busy reaffirming its own Socialist leanings following Blairs foray into the centre ground. I still read the Lib-Dems as a centre led Party, although I have to admit, rather grudgingly, that the polls do not yet bode well for them. Yes a new leader and ten years rebuild could be the order of the day for Lib-Dems, otherwise known as 'political wilderness'.
Time for a darkened room and at least one hour's rub down with a wet Sporting Life - we agree! Albeit on the LibDem's upcoming demise.crankedup said:
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
Do not fret Ladies and Gentlemen, you can still enjoy Pistonheads from any corner of the globe that you care to depart to.The only hope is that Lib-Dems continue in coalition Government and moderate the worst excesses of Labour.
LibDem's historical positioning to the left of Labour doesn't bode well. It's in the eye of the beholder, some say, but the rest know the score.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/i...
Whether the Labour Party has the stomach for it is debatable.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/forge...
"A solo Labour government might in fact benefit the Lib Dems, who would be seeking to rebuild credibility after their much-anticipated election wipeout."
maybe I should have said hysterical positioning crankedup said:
...and the Labour Party has since been busy reaffirming its own Socialist leanings following Blairs foray into the centre ground. I still read the Lib-Dems as a centre led Party, although I have to admit, rather grudgingly, that the polls do not yet bode well for them. Yes a new leader and ten years rebuild could be the order of the day for Lib-Dems, otherwise known as 'political wilderness'.
Time for a darkened room and at least one hour's rub down with a wet Sporting Life - we agree! Albeit on the LibDem's upcoming demise.The thing I find the strangest with all of these polls is that you don't just shift one month from having one set of principles to having a totally different set the next month.
Are they really an indication of what policies and which party people support, or are they an indication of who they're pissed off with the most at the time of asking?
Are they really an indication of what policies and which party people support, or are they an indication of who they're pissed off with the most at the time of asking?
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
Do not fret Ladies and Gentlemen, you can still enjoy Pistonheads from any corner of the globe that you care to depart to.The only hope is that Lib-Dems continue in coalition Government and moderate the worst excesses of Labour.
LibDem's historical positioning to the left of Labour doesn't bode well. It's in the eye of the beholder, some say, but the rest know the score.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/i...
Whether the Labour Party has the stomach for it is debatable.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/forge...
"A solo Labour government might in fact benefit the Lib Dems, who would be seeking to rebuild credibility after their much-anticipated election wipeout."
maybe I should have said hysterical positioning crankedup said:
...and the Labour Party has since been busy reaffirming its own Socialist leanings following Blairs foray into the centre ground. I still read the Lib-Dems as a centre led Party, although I have to admit, rather grudgingly, that the polls do not yet bode well for them. Yes a new leader and ten years rebuild could be the order of the day for Lib-Dems, otherwise known as 'political wilderness'.
Time for a darkened room and at least one hour's rub down with a wet Sporting Life - we agree! Albeit on the LibDem's upcoming demise.pablo said:
That the Tories have a "star" from the TV Show Benefits Street addressing the conference today says a lot...
Yes I had to check you were not on a wind up."White Dee" (heaven forbid she was another colour and you called her "black Dee" did indeed address a fringe meeting.
It just seems to speak of "pandering to be all inclusive" to me.
she has no relevance to many many people and just seems to be a woman who "got lucky" on TV
Mind you just the other week the UN allowed themselves to be addressed by Victoria Beckham which I found jaw dropping. Just as when real s
t was kicking off William Hague was getting photographed with that Jolie woman.The tories can be as trendy as they want to be. I'm not really sure that's what a lot of people want from them. Some friends of ours vote Conservative purely because they believe they won't screw up the economy. They don't like half of them in the party but that's not important to them or why they vote.
gpo746 said:
Some friends of ours vote Conservative purely because they believe they won't screw up the economy. They don't like half of them in the party but that's not important to them or why they vote.
That's why I'm a Tory voter. I don't care about the personalities, I vote for a party most likely to enact policies I'd agree with.
crankedup said:
fblm said:
crankedup said:
Do not fret Ladies and Gentlemen, you can still enjoy Pistonheads from any corner of the globe that you care to depart to.The only hope is that Lib-Dems continue in coalition Government and moderate the worst excesses of Labour.
I can confirm that Pistonheads is available in the Caribbean and has been since the last Labour government was busy destroying the country. I'd rather see a Labour landslide than another LibDem coalition. As for the next Government personal preferences, well its what voting is for and thankfully we are able to continue our democratic choices.
My comment regarding the LibDems was not meant to be antagonistic toward you, rereading it certainly looks that way so my apologies. I just think the LibDem agenda is more left wing than Labour's and think the current coalition has been nothing is not utterly mediocre.
Best of luck with your new venture.
I'm hardly surprised - after all the Tories didn't win the last one when Labour was all but unelectable.
Since then they've destroyed the creditability of their coalition partners whose extra voters last time around were largely Labour voters who couldn't face another 5 years of Gordon Brown, who've gone back to type.
They've lost old school Tory voters to UKIP, who can promise the world financially without fear of actually having to do any of it, whilst playing on the fears of their followers.
And they can soapbox all they like about the Economy, but really they've done exactly what they said they wouldn't do - namely they've fixed the economy for the city, but not the public - the 'man on the street' is still worried about their long-term employment, feeling real world inflation hurt them and I think have finally, after being told the opposite for decades learned the important truth - inflated house prices are good for the banks, good for the treasury and good for Estate Agents - for everyone else it's a bad thing.
Since then they've destroyed the creditability of their coalition partners whose extra voters last time around were largely Labour voters who couldn't face another 5 years of Gordon Brown, who've gone back to type.
They've lost old school Tory voters to UKIP, who can promise the world financially without fear of actually having to do any of it, whilst playing on the fears of their followers.
And they can soapbox all they like about the Economy, but really they've done exactly what they said they wouldn't do - namely they've fixed the economy for the city, but not the public - the 'man on the street' is still worried about their long-term employment, feeling real world inflation hurt them and I think have finally, after being told the opposite for decades learned the important truth - inflated house prices are good for the banks, good for the treasury and good for Estate Agents - for everyone else it's a bad thing.
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