Labour stretches lead over Tories

[blueg33]

SpeedMattersNot said:

Labour will win 2015, hopefully.

They had better not, the sector on which my business is based has only just recovered from Labours last fk up that they called government

[SpeedMattersNot]

They're the only party who represent the working class. Since I don't work, I want to selflessly vote for them so that they represent those that do work.

They are the only party who has a proper intervention plan for the obese private sector. The private sector are guilty of inputting the least into society but taking the most out of it.

Those who oppose Labour (typically Tories, but on PistonHeads they're for some strange reason UKIP fans) are out of touch of reality and blame the economic downturn on Labour. They fail to notice that the 1/3 of the globe went into meltdown and now they cling onto any advance the 'coalition' has made. Some coalition, they're about as authentic as Katy Perry and Russel Brand! As soon as they get the chance to split - they're all up for it.

Labour is the only honest party. They let you know who they favour and they let you know who they don't favour. Not even UKIP can confidently orchestrate that! (And for them it should be easy)

[SpeedMattersNot]

blueg33 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

Labour will win 2015, hopefully.

They had better not, the sector on which my business is based has only just recovered from Labours last fk up that they called government

What's your net worth?

Does the country care?

I earned my most money under labour. Tories promote top heavy industries...Labour suit the normal person. The person that actually does the work. Unfortunately there's a degree of 'keeping up with the 'Jones's'. Something Labour quite rightly doesn't believe in.

Labour aren't perfect, but if you follow 'my politician daily' then you'll find a distinct correlation between Labour and their care for the actual community and the correlation between UKIP and the laughing stock of the local radio station.

[JBF50]

SpeedMattersNot said:

They're the only party who represent the working class. Since I don't work, I want to selflessly vote for them so that they represent those that do work.

They are the only party who has a proper intervention plan for the obese private sector. The private sector are guilty of inputting the least into society but taking the most out of it.

Those who oppose Labour (typically Tories, but on PistonHeads they're for some strange reason UKIP fans) are out of touch of reality and blame the economic downturn on Labour. They fail to notice that the 1/3 of the globe went into meltdown and now they cling onto any advance the 'coalition' has made. Some coalition, they're about as authentic as Katy Perry and Russel Brand! As soon as they get the chance to split - they're all up for it.

Labour is the only honest party. They let you know who they favour and they let you know who they don't favour. Not even UKIP can confidently orchestrate that! (And for them it should be easy)

Let's hope The Tories and UKIP split the vote for the right and Labour have a workable majority, the country needs shot of this Govt, lets get the super-rich and the corporate elite to start paying their taxes properly and invest in our downtrodden inner-cities.

[Crafty_]

[vournikas]

BlackLabel said:

vournikas said:

Just looking at that graph (and apologies if this is a daft question), given that is the overall picture in May next year does that mean another hung parliament?

Labour would have a majority of around 28.

Labour need to poll 3% more than the Tories for a majority whereas the Tories need a 7-8% lead for a majority. In theory Labour could get 1% less than the Tories but still have 20+ seats more in a hung parliament.

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/userpoll.html

for that, despite it being depressing news.

[Rovinghawk]

JBF50 said:

the country needs shot of this Govt

For what reason?

JBF50 said:

lets get the super-rich and the corporate elite

Who are these people, exactly?

JBF50 said:

to start paying their taxes properly

If you know who they are and how they've been cheating the exchequer, inform HMRC; IME they aren't shy about getting what they're owed.

JBF50 said:

invest in our downtrodden inner-cities.

Nice soundbite. What investment do you have in mind?

[Gargamel]

Invest in our downtrodden inner cities. That is a fking joke.

Look at all the worst councils and worst inner city areas, all of them without exception will return a labour candidate. Labour has held these places for years and years and yet still done nothing to improve them.

Heseltine is the only person who actually did something useful about urban regeneration, transforming Liverpool for one.

That's multimillionaire Lord Hesletine, a conservative minister.

I seem to recall Labopur making a great deal of noise in Government about investment. What did they actually achieve? Great vision matched only by appalling wasteful execution. See Millenium Dome for details, or any IT project run under The 13 years of Labour government.

Labours idea of taxing the rich to pay for ideas that help the poor will never ever work. Wealth, real wealth for Nations is created by the wealthy investing in business and capital projects. Not by tax.

[blueg33]

The problem with threads like this is that no one is going to change anyone's mind. For my business a change of govt means another change to the MHD which means a hiatus in investment whilst everyone works out what they are doing. The last one lost us £80m and cost 20 jobs purely through public sector indecision.

[Hol]

JBF50 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

They're the only party who represent the working class. Since I don't work, I want to selflessly vote for them so that they represent those that do work.

They are the only party who has a proper intervention plan for the obese private sector. The private sector are guilty of inputting the least into society but taking the most out of it.

Those who oppose Labour (typically Tories, but on PistonHeads they're for some strange reason UKIP fans) are out of touch of reality and blame the economic downturn on Labour. They fail to notice that the 1/3 of the globe went into meltdown and now they cling onto any advance the 'coalition' has made. Some coalition, they're about as authentic as Katy Perry and Russel Brand! As soon as they get the chance to split - they're all up for it.

Labour is the only honest party. They let you know who they favour and they let you know who they don't favour. Not even UKIP can confidently orchestrate that! (And for them it should be easy)

Let's hope The Tories and UKIP split the vote for the right and Labour have a workable majority, the country needs shot of this Govt, lets get the super-rich and the corporate elite to start paying their taxes properly and invest in our downtrodden inner-cities.

1. The old definitions are rubbish in the modern age - Everybody not a manager or a business owner, is a worker (a working class mener of society). Somebody who owns a small plumbing company for example is therefore a boss, but he may also consider himself working class.

2. A 'majority' is having more votes than all of the other parties combined.

Having the most votes of any political party DOES NOT mean they have a majority in govrernment (The tories had the most votes last election, remember?).

However, whomever DOES get the most votes, is given the first opportunity to form a coalition goverment with another party (Coalition), or parties (Rainbow Coalition)until they pass 51% of all seats.
The other parties are under no obligation to accept their advances.

IF they cannot get a majority, the next highest party is to given the same chance to form the government.

Should neither be sucessful a further election may be required.


If UKIP pull votes from both Labour and Tory camps, they may well hold the bestv card come the next election as their support would be required.

[Crafty_]

Even Blair is putting the boot in: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliba...

[Guybrush]

JBF50 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

They're the only party who represent the working class. Since I don't work, I want to selflessly vote for them so that they represent those that do work.

They are the only party who has a proper intervention plan for the obese private sector. The private sector are guilty of inputting the least into society but taking the most out of it.

Those who oppose Labour (typically Tories, but on PistonHeads they're for some strange reason UKIP fans) are out of touch of reality and blame the economic downturn on Labour. They fail to notice that the 1/3 of the globe went into meltdown and now they cling onto any advance the 'coalition' has made. Some coalition, they're about as authentic as Katy Perry and Russel Brand! As soon as they get the chance to split - they're all up for it.

Labour is the only honest party. They let you know who they favour and they let you know who they don't favour. Not even UKIP can confidently orchestrate that! (And for them it should be easy)

Let's hope The Tories and UKIP split the vote for the right and Labour have a workable majority, the country needs shot of this Govt, lets get the super-rich and the corporate elite to start paying their taxes properly and invest in our downtrodden inner-cities.

So the 'downtrodden cities' have suddenly fallen on hard times have they, assuming they were fine after 13 years of Labour?

[Guybrush]

Mass immigration under labour, overspending generally...yes that really helps the 'working classes' doesn't it?

[blueg33]

Guybrush said:

JBF50 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

They're the only party who represent the working class. Since I don't work, I want to selflessly vote for them so that they represent those that do work.

They are the only party who has a proper intervention plan for the obese private sector. The private sector are guilty of inputting the least into society but taking the most out of it.

Those who oppose Labour (typically Tories, but on PistonHeads they're for some strange reason UKIP fans) are out of touch of reality and blame the economic downturn on Labour. They fail to notice that the 1/3 of the globe went into meltdown and now they cling onto any advance the 'coalition' has made. Some coalition, they're about as authentic as Katy Perry and Russel Brand! As soon as they get the chance to split - they're all up for it.

Labour is the only honest party. They let you know who they favour and they let you know who they don't favour. Not even UKIP can confidently orchestrate that! (And for them it should be easy)

Let's hope The Tories and UKIP split the vote for the right and Labour have a workable majority, the country needs shot of this Govt, lets get the super-rich and the corporate elite to start paying their taxes properly and invest in our downtrodden inner-cities.

So the 'downtrodden cities' have suddenly fallen on hard times have they, assuming they were fine after 13 years of Labour?

I spend a chunk of my time setting up regeneration projects and have done over the last 25 years.

The only real regeneration that took place was started in the first few years of the last labour Gov on the back of the economic boom that came from the Tories. During the latter half of the last Labour governement there was much talking and zero action on regeneration. Under the current Governement soem regeneration has restarted. Sorting out "down trodden" cities is heavily dependant on private investment. That will not come if investors do not have confidence in the economic policies of the governement.

[turbobloke]

SpeedMattersNot said:

They're the only party who represent the working class.

They may say so but they didn't do much for the working class between 1997 amd 2010, but the top 1% did well.

Lower earners paid more income tax under Labour than they do under the Coalition whereas high earners paid less.

http://order-order.com/2012/12/12/labour-taxed-poo...

Over a hundred stealth taxes were meant to be a trade for better public services but the efficiency of the public sector decreased, and all the money pumped into education did little but inflate grades.

SpeedMattersNot said:

They are the only party who has a proper intervention plan for the obese private sector. The private sector are guilty of inputting the least into society but taking the most out of it.

A bizarre thing to say. The private sector pays for the public sector. The former needs to be as successful and profitable as possible, the public sector needs only to be as big as required to provide essential services effectively. It's not meant to be a bargaining tool for buying votes via nonjobs or the class warfare tool of Union dinosaurs.

SpeedMattersNot said:

Those who oppose Labour...are out of touch of reality and blame the economic downturn on Labour.

Labour is rarely blamed for the economic downturn, they're blamed for the Brownturn, i.e. making things worse quicker and better slower than they needed to be. Labour's return to spunking taxpayers' money up the wall happened around 2001/2 not 2007/8.

SpeedMattersNot said:

Labour is the only honest party. They let you know who they favour and they let you know who they don't favour.

But then they don't help those they claim to favour but somehow manage to help those they vilify, who happen to be the ones who pay the country's bills. Failure by design and success by accident.

The gap between rich and poor cities widened under Labour and Labour's public sector spending spree led to worse value for money.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gul...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...

SpeedMattersNot said:

Let's hope The Tories and UKIP split the vote for the right and Labour have a workable majority, the country needs shot of this Govt, lets get the super-rich and the corporate elite to start paying their taxes properly and invest in our downtrodden inner-cities.

Labour need a lesson on who should pay more tax and who should pay less tax. These graphics portray HMRC data and are taken from the Guido link above.





Miliband has spoken of reversing cuts in corporation tax, reinforcing his reputation for being a fool, Anthony Charles Lynton Blair is correct in his view that Miliband is useless. A rare moment for Tony but not for Ed.

[MarshPhantom]

Rovinghawk said:

JBF50 said:

the country needs shot of this Govt

For what reason?

JBF50 said:

lets get the super-rich and the corporate elite

Who are these people, exactly?

JBF50 said:

to start paying their taxes properly

If you know who they are and how they've been cheating the exchequer, inform HMRC; IME they aren't shy about getting what they're owed.

JBF50 said:

invest in our downtrodden inner-cities.

Nice soundbite. What investment do you have in mind?

Tories have cut funding to HMRC to the tune of £2bn with 10000 jobs going/gone.

[gpo746]

SpeedMattersNot said:

They're the only party who represent the working class. Since I don't work, I want to selflessly vote for them so that they represent those that do work.

They are the only party who has a proper intervention plan for the obese private sector. The private sector are guilty of inputting the least into society but taking the most out of it.

Those who oppose Labour (typically Tories, but on PistonHeads they're for some strange reason UKIP fans) are out of touch of reality and blame the economic downturn on Labour. They fail to notice that the 1/3 of the globe went into meltdown and now they cling onto any advance the 'coalition' has made. Some coalition, they're about as authentic as Katy Perry and Russel Brand! As soon as they get the chance to split - they're all up for it.

Labour is the only honest party. They let you know who they favour and they let you know who they don't favour. Not even UKIP can confidently orchestrate that! (And for them it should be easy)

You are correct . Labour definitely let us know pre election 1997 that their leader favoured God and that God would be ok with him siding with the American President and getting it together by invading a foreign country. Very transparent I remember reading it in the manifesto and seeing tony explain that possible outcome in lots of pre election interviews.
At the last election they definitely let their supporters know that they would in the event of a hung parliament try to desperately scrabble a coalition together with err.. hang on a sec .... er..... oh yes ... just about EVERY party other than the conservatives. These complicated degrading talks went on for several days and didn't at all look desperate.
I know what you mean by honesty thanks for reminding me.

[Camoradi]

MarshPhantom said:

Tories have cut funding to HMRC to the tune of £2bn with 10000 jobs going/gone.

That's £200,000 per job

I thought there were too many high paid people at HMRC...

[Mojocvh]

Nope, the traditional mainstream parties are just not getting it.

The discontent, nation wide, with the current political system and those it serves best, is growing and growing fast.

Promise this, promise that, it's all the usual pack of false promise and outright lies [EU referendum anyone/2,3 billion for the NHS that they don't have].

The people are for change.

And there's only one lot who will do that.

[The Hypno-Toad]

Gargamel said:

Invest in our downtrodden inner cities. That is a fking joke.

Look at all the worst councils and worst inner city areas, all of them without exception will return a labour candidate. Labour has held these places for years and years and yet still done nothing to improve them.

Heseltine is the only person who actually did something useful about urban regeneration, transforming Liverpool for one.

That's multimillionaire Lord Hesletine, a conservative minister.

I seem to recall Labopur making a great deal of noise in Government about investment. What did they actually achieve? Great vision matched only by appalling wasteful execution. See Millenium Dome for details, or any IT project run under The 13 years of Labour government.

This. 100%.