Labour stretches lead over Tories

Labour stretches lead over Tories

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gpo746

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3,397 posts

129 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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Mojocvh said:
And there's only one lot who will do that.
Any party headed up by this mad bint maybe ?


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BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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Labour are ahead in pretty much every opinion poll yet Ed Miliband's leadership rating is the worst it has been since January 2012.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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The Hypno-Toad said:
Gargamel said:
Invest in our downtrodden inner cities. That is a fking joke.

Look at all the worst councils and worst inner city areas, all of them without exception will return a labour candidate. Labour has held these places for years and years and yet still done nothing to improve them.

Heseltine is the only person who actually did something useful about urban regeneration, transforming Liverpool for one.

That's multimillionaire Lord Hesletine, a conservative minister.

I seem to recall Labopur making a great deal of noise in Government about investment. What did they actually achieve? Great vision matched only by appalling wasteful execution. See Millenium Dome for details, or any IT project run under The 13 years of Labour government.
This. 100%.
Yes but think of all the things labour did fir the working class,... Unfettered immigration, university fees, numeracy & literacy standards in schools downward spiral, out of control credit card debt, doubled council tax, hospital parking charges, minimum wage leading to unskilled work being outsourced to agencies, council charging for stuff that used to be free, and most of these were introduced during a boom!!!!!! What did they think would happen when tax receipts shrink when that boom turned to a recession? Oh yes they abolished the bust....

Chicken Chaser

7,744 posts

223 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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I worry that if the Tories get in without a coalition, that they will decimate employment in the North East. Lack of investment in the region means it relies heavily on public sector work. Myself and my wife are both employed within the public sector currently although we have also had private sector jobs in the past. I don't see enough being done up here to address this long standing issue. I am more right wing than I am left wing but I just don't trust this bunch. They've failed me this parliament and have targeted my profession for far greater cuts than what others have suffered.

We had the PM in our own back yard whilst Labour were in power yet they just the employment issue short term by creating public sector positions. I couldn't vote in Milliband anyway, he has no leadership qualities whatsoever.

I don't currently see any party looking to change my area for the better right now, Labour councils around here have failed time after time to turn things around. I really don't know what the future holds.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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I feel sorry for you CC, but the answer is not to create non jobs. I would love it if a few million could be coaxed away from the South East, but only if sustainable employment results.

Chicken Chaser

7,744 posts

223 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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I don't see HS2 being the catalyst for change either. We have a workforce up here which is as skilled amdnas talented as ehat exists in the southern regions but the investment in that talent isn't there. I know of many people my age who have taken the journey south just to get a job, and we have some great universities up here so its not that we are only good for admin and call centres.

I don't feel sorry for myself as I love living up here. I studied down south and came back because the region geographically offers me and my family a perfect combination right now, but in the future when my daughter grows up, I want her to be able to find good meaningful work here in the region if she wants to stay. I can see why Scots only narrowly voted to stay in as I think us in the regions would also vote for some kind of devolution of it meant we could affect our own regions future more effectively

RYH64E

7,960 posts

243 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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Chicken Chaser said:
...but the investment in that talent isn't there.
Who do you think should make that investment? The jobs in the south aren't here because of government investment or because that's where the government wants the jobs to be, jobs are here because private companies have chosen to base themselves here.

rovermorris999

5,195 posts

188 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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Unfortunately nobody has a right to a well-paid job where they want to live. I've moved around the country to where the best-paid jobs were, that's life I'm afraid. All governments should do is put in place the macro-economic conditions (competitive tax regime, decent infrastructure etc) required for companies to flourish. Council policies and accidents of geography then come into play.

blueg33

35,589 posts

223 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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RYH64E said:
Chicken Chaser said:
...but the investment in that talent isn't there.
Who do you think should make that investment? The jobs in the south aren't here because of government investment or because that's where the government wants the jobs to be, jobs are here because private companies have chosen to base themselves here.
We have offices in the north east, in Barnsley and Doncaster and projects in Grimsby, Hull, Sunderland and Newcastle. In each of those locations we are finding it difficult to get the right skillset. We have also closed our Hull office at the end of the project and the most talented of the team decided to move south to be based at our London HQ even though they were given the opportunity to be based in Doncaster

Talksteer

4,843 posts

232 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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RYH64E said:
Chicken Chaser said:
...but the investment in that talent isn't there.
Who do you think should make that investment? The jobs in the south aren't here because of government investment or because that's where the government wants the jobs to be, jobs are here because private companies have chosen to base themselves here.
It's nowhere near as simple as that, one of the reasons that the jobs are there is because the connectivity is there. The government has massive inputs into infrastructure spending, cultural spending and planning policy decision making. Also the physical location of the government and the decision makers in London makes a massive difference.

In many places the government has historically restrained growth, not deliberately usually though restrictions on the growth of Birmingham for example were actual policy for example.

Many of the reasons London gets so much spent on it is that the economics would indicate that you get a good return on those investments. However the externalities of denying that funding elsewhere are usually not considered. It takes the piss for example that the Northeast is not connected to any other bit of the country by a motorway for example.

blueg33

35,589 posts

223 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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Talksteer said:
It's nowhere near as simple as that, one of the reasons that the jobs are there is because the connectivity is there. The government has massive inputs into infrastructure spending, cultural spending and planning policy decision making. Also the physical location of the government and the decision makers in London makes a massive difference.

In many places the government has historically restrained growth, not deliberately usually though restrictions on the growth of Birmingham for example were actual policy for example.

Many of the reasons London gets so much spent on it is that the economics would indicate that you get a good return on those investments. However the externalities of denying that funding elsewhere are usually not considered. It takes the piss for example that the Northeast is not connected to any other bit of the country by a motorway for example.
I can travel from Gloucester to Hull or Grimsby on motorway for almost the entire way with just a little bit that's dual carriageway.

The North East has had heaps of European and Govt money over the years, but it has hardly worked. One of our offices is on a business park paid for by European money, most of the offices have been empty for the 10 years or so since it was finished.

I don't think that its even easy to identify the malaise in the north east. We spent in excess of £120m in Hull on infrastructure but local unemployed didnt seem very interested in the jobs and the training that we were offering and we have similar issues in south Yorkshire.



menousername

2,106 posts

141 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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blueg33 said:
We have offices in the north east, in Barnsley and Doncaster and projects in Grimsby, Hull, Sunderland and Newcastle. In each of those locations we are finding it difficult to get the right skillset. We have also closed our Hull office at the end of the project and the most talented of the team decided to move south to be based at our London HQ even though they were given the opportunity to be based in Doncaster
Which skill-set?

RYH64E

7,960 posts

243 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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Talksteer said:
It takes the piss for example that the Northeast is not connected to any other bit of the country by a motorway for example.
My part of the country, south Suffolk, has terrible road links but is still very prosperous compared to most of the northern cities. I was in the north east last week and the A1M and A19 are much better than anything we have in East Anglia.

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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a nice example of what happens when a labour run council gets too comfortable http://www.corruptglasgow2014.com/

Guybrush

4,330 posts

205 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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markcoznottz said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Gargamel said:
Invest in our downtrodden inner cities. That is a fking joke.

Look at all the worst councils and worst inner city areas, all of them without exception will return a labour candidate. Labour has held these places for years and years and yet still done nothing to improve them.

Heseltine is the only person who actually did something useful about urban regeneration, transforming Liverpool for one.

That's multimillionaire Lord Hesletine, a conservative minister.

I seem to recall Labopur making a great deal of noise in Government about investment. What did they actually achieve? Great vision matched only by appalling wasteful execution. See Millenium Dome for details, or any IT project run under The 13 years of Labour government.
This. 100%.
Yes but think of all the things labour did fir the working class,... Unfettered immigration, university fees, numeracy & literacy standards in schools downward spiral, out of control credit card debt, doubled council tax, hospital parking charges, minimum wage leading to unskilled work being outsourced to agencies, council charging for stuff that used to be free, and most of these were introduced during a boom!!!!!! What did they think would happen when tax receipts shrink when that boom turned to a recession? Oh yes they abolished the bust....
Exactly. It just proves how stupid people can be, to be so easily brainwashed by the same old Labour propaganda that they are on the side of the working classes. When will the 'downtrodden' realise that Labour want to keep them in their place, just so they can be fooled into thinking Labour will be there to save them. This harsh truth is so against ingrained thought, it's so stupid, you couldn't make it up.

blueg33

35,589 posts

223 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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menousername said:
blueg33 said:
We have offices in the north east, in Barnsley and Doncaster and projects in Grimsby, Hull, Sunderland and Newcastle. In each of those locations we are finding it difficult to get the right skillset. We have also closed our Hull office at the end of the project and the most talented of the team decided to move south to be based at our London HQ even though they were given the opportunity to be based in Doncaster
Which skill-set?
Project managers, FM managers, property managers and general management. At the lower levels we struggle to find construction staff

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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NicD said:
I feel sorry for you CC, but the answer is not to create non jobs. I would love it if a few million could be coaxed away from the South East, but only if sustainable employment results.
I think it's still better to have public sector workers in the NE or wherever paying tax and buying stuff and have children who grow up with working parents. It's not ideal but history has proven that simply closing down traditional employers like mining or manufacturing and expecting people to retrain in financial services and move to London simply doesn't work.

The alternative is unemployment and social decay and generations of people with no concept of being employed and contributing to society.

Sir Humphrey

387 posts

122 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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RYH64E said:
Who do you think should make that investment? The jobs in the south aren't here because of government investment or because that's where the government wants the jobs to be, jobs are here because private companies have chosen to base themselves here.
If there were a free market with low tax as people move to London to get a better job, the North becomes cheaper to buy/rent property and hire people, meaning more good jobs come available there as businesses are willing to take the risk in basing themselves there. Because we don't have a free labour market, high taxation and government redistribution of wealth this won't happen, leaving the North permanently poor and London permanently rich.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

241 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Sir Humphrey said:
If there were a free market with low tax as people move to London to get a better job, the North becomes cheaper to buy/rent property and hire people, meaning more good jobs come available there as businesses are willing to take the risk in basing themselves there. Because we don't have a free labour market, high taxation and government redistribution of wealth this won't happen, leaving the North permanently poor and London permanently rich.
Permanently is rather a long time.

Where was all the money when Vicky was on the throne?

There is absolutely nothing to say things won't change again, but I'll concede it won't be this week.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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