Osbourne Announces Benefit Changes for manifesto
Discussion
XJ Flyer said:
As I remember it Callaghan and Thatcher slaughtered the Unions just a few years later so remind us where incomes stand today relative to prices.
I believe I am no more qualified than my parents , work no harder than my parents , but have a higher standard of living , have more exotic holidays and more material possessions than my parents.
As I remember it Callaghan and Thatcher slaughtered the Unions just a few years later so remind us where incomes stand today relative to prices.
I believe I am no more qualified than my parents , work no harder than my parents , but have a higher standard of living , have more exotic holidays and more material possessions than my parents.
Fittster said:
Because they know you're wrong on that point.
"governments with the power to issue their own currency are always solvent, and can afford to buy anything for sale in their domestic unit of account even though they may face inflationary and political constraints"
http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_778.pdf
For only $50, you can buy the outcome of an fully solvent currency issuing government getting it a bit wrong "governments with the power to issue their own currency are always solvent, and can afford to buy anything for sale in their domestic unit of account even though they may face inflationary and political constraints"
http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_778.pdf
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At the risk of taking this slightly off topic, having a bit of a discussion elsewhere regarding the economy generally, someone replied with this:
A real "and they walk among us" moment.
some bloke said:
The economy was growing during Labour's end days, we also mustn't forget that. The austerity was unnecessary and has been put in the backs of the people who can least afford it. Why did we, as a country, allow a to rate of tax cut and then cut the st out of welfare for people most likely to be at their lowest point in their lives? We did it because divide and conquer is still working and the right wing media made everyone believe Labour caused the world wide financial crisis and are worse than the Tory's, when in fact they are about the same, if not, a bit better. Osbourne for years was promising to match Labour's spending and they would never have regulated the banks into not melting the economy, so I'm not sure where their economic reputation cones from, other than misdirection and ignorance.
The first two sentences are just astounding, does anyone really still believe winky & co were doing a good job ? I struggle to comprehend how to actually explain to this guy the mess we got in to.A real "and they walk among us" moment.
Edited by Crafty_ on Tuesday 30th September 19:35
Gargamel said:
Mojocvh said:
Do you actually believe any of those spoon fed lies?
Which bit is a lie? The growth rate?
The personal tax allowance
The debt to GDP
?
In my opinion, given the circumstances and the relative performance of other economies, I think this is a decent job?
says WHO?
greygoose said:
GavinPearson said:
If the Conservatives were very smart, they would raise the state pension to cover housing benefit, fuel allowance to one simple figure per pensioner.
They could then eliminate the administration and payment of housing benefit & fuel allowance, cap unemployment at whatever that figure was decided to pay pensioners for and cap child benefit at the current level for all kids born nine months after implementation and capped to a maximum of three kids thereafter.
They could also provide assistance for people to move from high rent areas to value rent areas to eliminate hardship.
If they got their sums right pensioners would love this and it would go a long way to fixing the out of control costs that some people burden the system with.
Why would you want to pay housing benefit to pensioners who do not need it though?They could then eliminate the administration and payment of housing benefit & fuel allowance, cap unemployment at whatever that figure was decided to pay pensioners for and cap child benefit at the current level for all kids born nine months after implementation and capped to a maximum of three kids thereafter.
They could also provide assistance for people to move from high rent areas to value rent areas to eliminate hardship.
If they got their sums right pensioners would love this and it would go a long way to fixing the out of control costs that some people burden the system with.
If the Tories had introduced the Community Charge into Westminster and Wandsworth as a pilot, people would have been clamouring for it. But no, like a bunch of complete idiots they introduce it in Scotland, where no matter what they did it would have been considered bad.
Hoofy said:
I'm in two minds. Interesting point made on LBC last night - it's not weighted by area. Someone could happily live on £23k up north but a similar family in South London could be in serious trouble.
Easy, if you are struggling on benefits living in London or the south east move to a cheaper area with lower rents, then the housing benefit will go further for the free house.Edited by Hoofy on Monday 29th September 16:39
pete a said:
Hoofy said:
I'm in two minds. Interesting point made on LBC last night - it's not weighted by area. Someone could happily live on £23k up north but a similar family in South London could be in serious trouble.
Easy, if you are struggling on benefits living in London or the south east move to a cheaper area with lower rents, then the housing benefit will go further for the free house.Edited by Hoofy on Monday 29th September 16:39
Dead easy when you're trying to keep a min wage zero hour agency job, where extra travel costs might impose a massive marginal tax on work
sidicks said:
edh said:
Deficit is climbing again.
After suppressing growth for 3 years no wonder we're getting some now.
Long term economic pain is certainly with us
Maybe we might be forced into some proper cuts this time.After suppressing growth for 3 years no wonder we're getting some now.
Long term economic pain is certainly with us
edh said:
pete a said:
Hoofy said:
I'm in two minds. Interesting point made on LBC last night - it's not weighted by area. Someone could happily live on £23k up north but a similar family in South London could be in serious trouble.
Easy, if you are struggling on benefits living in London or the south east move to a cheaper area with lower rents, then the housing benefit will go further for the free house.Edited by Hoofy on Monday 29th September 16:39
Dead easy when you're trying to keep a min wage zero hour agency job, where extra travel costs might impose a massive marginal tax on work
Oh wait, there aren't any jobs up there.....so struggle on benefits in London but have a chance of getting a job but do the decent thing, cut the amount of benefits you need by moving somewhere cheap but have no chance of getting a job so stay on benefits for life.
Nick Robinson:
The prime minister often talks about benefits as if they are paid to people who don't work and paid for by people who do.
The truth is that the benefits freeze the chancellor announced yesterday will affect more than twice as many working families as workless families - seven million compared with three million.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29429981
The prime minister often talks about benefits as if they are paid to people who don't work and paid for by people who do.
The truth is that the benefits freeze the chancellor announced yesterday will affect more than twice as many working families as workless families - seven million compared with three million.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29429981
wsurfa said:
Mojocvh said:
"We have the highest economic growth in the Western Economies. Unemployment has fallen substantially, the deficit is reducing, our total Debt remains below 80% of GDP "
says WHO?
I'd go for EU/IMF, ONS/Eurostat, IFSsays WHO?
And you'd go for.....
Knock yourself out.
As for Unemployment http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27410917
Even the BBC forced to report Unemployment at a five year low
I am not saying it is perfect, there is plenty still wrong. But to cut spending AND achieve growth is not easy. You can look at plenty of other countries who slashed public spending and killed demand in the economy.
At least the Tories are aware there is still a deficit problem, unlike the two Ed's for whom it seems to have totally skipped their minds.
pete a said:
Easy, if you are struggling on benefits living in London or the south east move to a cheaper area with lower rents, then the housing benefit will go further for the free house.
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