Osbourne Announces Benefit Changes for manifesto

[petemurphy]

why wasnt this done 4 years ago - to do it before a GE seems madness and opens them up to the usual crap from labour - v bad planning imho

[Gargamel]

Mojocvh said:

Just amazing how out of touch these "people" really are.

Do the Tory faithful understand that they have just handed the GE contest over to Liarbour and the UKIP?

Not at all, I prefer politicians to have principles and values which they live up to, rather than saying anything to get elected.

[Justayellowbadge]

petemurphy said:

why wasnt this done 4 years ago - to do it before a GE seems madness and opens them up to the usual crap from labour - v bad planning imho

Coalition.

They aren't doing it now, they'll do it if they get a majority.

[Fittster]

Daily Mail headline:

"Ten MILLION families to lose £500 under Osborne plan to freeze benefits for two years as he unveils £25billion in extra cuts"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2773427/To...

Does CMD realise there's a election next year?

[otolith]

How many people on benefits were going to vote for them anyway?

[Fittster]

otolith said:

How many people on benefits were going to vote for them anyway?

What do you mean by benefits?

Unemployment, state pension, working family tax credits, child benefit, etc.

A very high percentage of the population gets something from the state, and unless you are some wacky libertarian party you want some of them to vote for you.

[Gargamel]

There are 30m people working, we want lower taxes. We need to cut there deficit.

The politics are great, at very turn Balls and Miliband will have Conservatives asking them how will there policy reduce spending? What will they say?

Finally work must pay, you cannot have benefits rising faster than pay.

[anonymous-user]

Fittster said:

otolith said:

How many people on benefits were going to vote for them anyway?

What do you mean by benefits?

Unemployment, state pension, working family tax credits, child benefit, etc.

A very high percentage of the population gets something from the state, and unless you are some wacky libertarian party you want some of them to vote for you.

I doubt that a very high percentage of the population will be affected by the cuts proposed.

[Crafty_]

Thats an election loser.

It might be good common sense, but then when did that appeal to joe public. They'll much prefer to vote for Miliband who chose not tackle the economy at all, which is probably what his government will do.

We're fked until at least 2020 now.

[XJ Flyer]

Fittster said:

And these freezes will also be applied to state pensions?

Looks like the tory party desperately trying to protected its dying electoral base from any pain.

If we're going to turn it into an old v young fight then bring it on.Lets have the interest rates of the Thatcher years so the old can live on their hard earn't savings instead of the Cons using negative interest rates as a form of housing benefit for young house buyers.The 13.8% of 1985 would do fine.

[Fittster]

Gargamel said:

There are 30m people working, we want lower taxes. We need to cut there deficit.

The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners

Why do we need to cut the deficit? The gilt market doesn't show any sign of your concern.

If you want to worry about something you might try and focus on the UK poor productivity and high unemployment levels that are behind the deficit. Although maybe we would all blame White Dee.

[Fittster]

XJ Flyer said:

Fittster said:

And these freezes will also be applied to state pensions?

Looks like the tory party desperately trying to protected its dying electoral base from any pain.

If we're going to turn it into an old v young fight then bring it on.Lets have the interest rates of the Thatcher years so the old can live on their hard earn't savings instead of the Cons using negative interest rates as a form of housing benefit for young house buyers.The 13.8% of 1985 would do fine

You going to pay capital gains on the amount that house has increased in value since 1985? Thought not

[0a]

Interesting headlines. The issue for Miliband is that if he chooses to fight the Tories on this issue he is fighting on his weakest area - and one he forgot to mention in his conference speech.

[XJ Flyer]

Fittster said:

Gargamel said:

There are 30m people working, we want lower taxes. We need to cut there deficit.

The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners

Why do we need to cut the deficit? The gilt market doesn't show any sign of your concern.

If you want to worry about something you might try and focus on the UK poor productivity and high unemployment levels that are behind the deficit. Although maybe we would all blame White Dee.

The unemployment rate being the result of using immigration to over supply the labour market and the de industrialisation of the Thatcher years and making us over reliant on imports of manufactured goods.Thereby creating the perfect storm of high trade deficit,high unemployment,low wage employment and lack of tax revenues.

[XJ Flyer]

Fittster said:

XJ Flyer said:

Fittster said:

And these freezes will also be applied to state pensions?

Looks like the tory party desperately trying to protected its dying electoral base from any pain.

If we're going to turn it into an old v young fight then bring it on.Lets have the interest rates of the Thatcher years so the old can live on their hard earn't savings instead of the Cons using negative interest rates as a form of housing benefit for young house buyers.The 13.8% of 1985 would do fine

You going to pay capital gains on the amount that house has increased in value since 1985? Thought not

I don't remember Thatcher calling for any capital gains tax on house value increases.If we're going to have Thatcherite policies then lets not pick and choose which we have.Having said that we can always increase those interest rates even more to compensate for the tax owed.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Monday 29th September 19:03

[Crafty_]

Fittster said:

The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners

Why do we need to cut the deficit? The gilt market doesn't show any sign of your concern.

If you want to worry about something you might try and focus on the UK poor productivity and high unemployment levels that are behind the deficit. Although maybe we would all blame White Dee.

So your idea is to continue borrowing huge amounts forever because you can't be bothered to pay it off ?

Why don't we just haul Brown back in then ? because 2008 was a right barrel of laughs wasn't it ?

[sidicks]

Fittster said:

A very high percentage of the population gets something from the state, and unless you are some wacky libertarian party you want some of them to vote for you.

Which is exactly the problem!

We tax people earning minimum wage and then have to give money back to them through benefits. It makes no sense.

[Gargamel]

sidicks said:

Which is exactly the problem!

We tax people earning minimum wage and then have to give money back to them through benefits. It makes no sense.

Exactly, cutting benefits, reducing the size of government, providing lower taxation and freeing people from dependency on a fickle public sector policy are all core Conservative values.

[XJ Flyer]

sidicks said:

Fittster said:

A very high percentage of the population gets something from the state, and unless you are some wacky libertarian party you want some of them to vote for you.

Which is exactly the problem!

We tax people earning minimum wage and then have to give money back to them through benefits. It makes no sense.

It does to those cheap labour employers who expect the state to subsidise their profits in the form of top up benefits to allow those on wages which don't meet the cost of living to make the figures more or less add up.

The fact is this country is going the way of Greece.

[markcoznottz]

XJ Flyer said:

Fittster said:

Gargamel said:

There are 30m people working, we want lower taxes. We need to cut there deficit.

The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners

Why do we need to cut the deficit? The gilt market doesn't show any sign of your concern.

If you want to worry about something you might try and focus on the UK poor productivity and high unemployment levels that are behind the deficit. Although maybe we would all blame White Dee.

The unemployment rate being the result of using immigration to over supply the labour market and the de industrialisation of the Thatcher years and making us over reliant on imports of manufactured goods.Thereby creating the perfect storm of high trade deficit,high unemployment,low wage employment and lack of tax revenues.

The new much lauded self employed contingent won't make a dent, it's sme's we need, but with unreformed Marxists being voted into power every five years, who the hell would start a business that actually employed low cost natives. This country now has a split vote and will flip flop between coalitions for the foreseeable future.