Benefit Smart Cards to be introduced
Discussion
Murph7355 said:
kowalski655 said:
If we follow that Californian system then that will mean a nice donation to Tory coffers from Tesco or Asda,to get the contracts
Is there any evidence that there are extra costs caused to the DWP by the plebs spending on booze etc? How many get emergency payments because they spend it all on booze,rather than losing a cheque say? Obviously the NHS and social costs but AFAIK there is no suggestion its just there for junkies and drunks,but all the unemployed in an area, who will be unfairly restricted.
The Californian system as described above sounds fine to me. Is there any evidence that there are extra costs caused to the DWP by the plebs spending on booze etc? How many get emergency payments because they spend it all on booze,rather than losing a cheque say? Obviously the NHS and social costs but AFAIK there is no suggestion its just there for junkies and drunks,but all the unemployed in an area, who will be unfairly restricted.
Less to do with the cost and everything to do with benefits being a safety net not a comfort blanket. If you want to smoke or drink, or have absolute freedom to spend money the way you want to, there are options available for the vast majority. If there's enough on the card to buy expensive electrical goods then the amount being paid is too high.
As for implementation costs, the processes and technology are largely already there. The govt even owns a high street bank it could leverage.
We also need to get back to rent going direct to landlords IMO. Cash benefits should be largely unnecessary.
Baryonyx said:
Instead of coming up with schemes to allow the scroungers new ways to cheat the system, they should cut all dole monies and simply hand out basic rations and clothing from government centres. Take away the incentive to sit on your arse all day, and make being a slacker as miserable as it should be. Seeing the scroungers wearing a government issue garment would also bring in some social shame which would be a good motivator.
It would also be useful to see the able bodied put to work, and they could perhaps be detained for use on large projects, like working on the roads.
You display the ignorance associated with someone who has been brainwashed by Tory propaganda that's designed to make you divert your attention elsewhere to vent your insecurities, namely those worse off than yourself and not at what the government is up to. It would also be useful to see the able bodied put to work, and they could perhaps be detained for use on large projects, like working on the roads.
Baryonyx said:
No, they should be working for free. Consider it paying back the bill for the valueless lives they've lived so far taking money from hard working tax payers.
This will NEVER happen; I've worked in a JobCentre and they'd all just rock up with bad backs or whatever (every one of them), that and the human rights lefties - it would be "degrading". Same with the smart cards; it's demeaning for them. (So-called "asylum seekers" were being given vouchers iirc - that stopped for just this reason).Funkycoldribena said:
Would ALL gas and electric companies take the card?
I'd say yes they would. It would be trivial to sort that out.Funkycoldribena said:
What happens when the plumbing bursts in the middle of the night,have you got to find a plumber that will take the card?
That's a very small subset of people - homeowners without home insurance in receipt of benefits.Funkycoldribena said:
What happens when the dog needs the vet?
You take it to the PDSA, and presumably ask them to take it to the kennel, since you can't afford to maintain it properlyFunkycoldribena said:
Will bus companies take the card so people can get to interviews?
There are currently funds available for this from the Jobcentre.Funkycoldribena said:
Need a suit for interviews,will Matalan take the card?
There are currently funds available for this from the Jobcentre.Funkycoldribena said:
Kids need uniform that only one shop sells (yes this is true,complete monopoly on badged uniform where I live),will he take the card?
Probably not, but then the School will have a hardship fund. I know mine did, and we had exactly the same situation with respect to uniform.Funkycoldribena said:
The list is endless,ridiculous idea.Also never get why people moan about unemployed smokers because most of that money goes straight back to the government.
Most of the money goes straight back out again to treat them on the NHS. Wholly aside from that there's the issue that smoking is horrible.JMGS4 said:
Murph7355 said:
kowalski655 said:
If we follow that Californian system then that will mean a nice donation to Tory coffers from Tesco or Asda,to get the contracts
Is there any evidence that there are extra costs caused to the DWP by the plebs spending on booze etc? How many get emergency payments because they spend it all on booze,rather than losing a cheque say? Obviously the NHS and social costs but AFAIK there is no suggestion its just there for junkies and drunks,but all the unemployed in an area, who will be unfairly restricted.
The Californian system as described above sounds fine to me. Is there any evidence that there are extra costs caused to the DWP by the plebs spending on booze etc? How many get emergency payments because they spend it all on booze,rather than losing a cheque say? Obviously the NHS and social costs but AFAIK there is no suggestion its just there for junkies and drunks,but all the unemployed in an area, who will be unfairly restricted.
Less to do with the cost and everything to do with benefits being a safety net not a comfort blanket. If you want to smoke or drink, or have absolute freedom to spend money the way you want to, there are options available for the vast majority. If there's enough on the card to buy expensive electrical goods then the amount being paid is too high.
As for implementation costs, the processes and technology are largely already there. The govt even owns a high street bank it could leverage.
We also need to get back to rent going direct to landlords IMO. Cash benefits should be largely unnecessary.
Dog Star said:
This will NEVER happen; I've worked in a JobCentre and they'd all just rock up with bad backs or whatever (every one of them), that and the human rights lefties - it would be "degrading". Same with the smart cards; it's demeaning for them. (So-called "asylum seekers" were being given vouchers iirc - that stopped for just this reason).
Having a bad back isn't a good enough excuse. They should be shipped out to these work projects, and if you don't work, you don't eat. They would soon regain their work ethic if they had a reason to work. The free ride should end. The able bodied poor have been laughing at the hard working, honest tax payers of this country for too long. Baryonyx said:
Having a bad back isn't a good enough excuse. They should be shipped out to these work projects, and if you don't work, you don't eat. They would soon regain their work ethic if they had a reason to work. The free ride should end. The able bodied poor have been laughing at the hard working, honest tax payers of this country for too long.
Are you for real? Or are you just a personification of all the most extreme hate and bile which occasionally surfaces on here?It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some people will move to inflict misery on those they consider beneath them.
Challo said:
Quick question. Are all funds put onto the card and that used to purchase groceries? What about a contingency fund for items like travel, bus fares etc? Is anything given in cash also?
The CC is only for food, rent etc is paid direct to the owner of the property, elec/gas is paid out of the minimal sum the SS pays to the doleite... no extras are paid for buses/suits, tvs etc etcThe reason CA went for the food CC is that the old food voucher system was always misused as there was no check whether food was actually being bought with the vouchers. Often small stores exchanged food vouchers for beer/tobacco etc... This system eliminates the fraud, seemingly.
Baryonyx said:
Having a bad back isn't a good enough excuse. They should be shipped out to these work projects, and if you don't work, you don't eat. They would soon regain their work ethic if they had a reason to work. The free ride should end. The able bodied poor have been laughing at the hard working, honest tax payers of this country for too long.
Would you prefer to live in North Korea now or Soviet Russia in the 1950's and 60's?Those saying that "ooman rights" legislation would prevent this should reflect that it is also very probably Conservative policy to withdraw from the ECHR (think it will be in the manifesto) and replace the Human Rights act with a British bill of rights.
Policies such as these do probably depend on laws being made by democratically elected politicians rather than judges.
The bulk of welfare spending on working age households is given to parents to care for their children and it seems entirely reasonable for the state to ensure that money is spent on the children rather than on booze and fags.
Policies such as these do probably depend on laws being made by democratically elected politicians rather than judges.
The bulk of welfare spending on working age households is given to parents to care for their children and it seems entirely reasonable for the state to ensure that money is spent on the children rather than on booze and fags.
Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 30th September 13:39
Baryonyx said:
wc98 said:
and they could be paid for working on said roads,negating the need for benefits in the first place ,or do you mean working for free for the head of the local councils brother in laws company that gets all the contracts for road works ?
No, they should be working for free. Consider it paying back the bill for the valueless lives they've lived so far taking money from hard working tax payers. Morningside said:
From what I understand from listening to Radio 4 last night it will ONLY be for people with serious drug problems.
What brainless t
t comes up with this nonsense? What vast percentage of theft is committed by druggies to fund their habits? I know - great idea - lets not let them have any money AT ALL!You couldn't make this s
t up.Baryonyx said:
Having a bad back isn't a good enough excuse. They should be shipped out to these work projects, and if you don't work, you don't eat. They would soon regain their work ethic if they had a reason to work. The free ride should end. The able bodied poor have been laughing at the hard working, honest tax payers of this country for too long.
Why not just drag them from their homes and send them to a labour camp,and burn their kids for free fuel? And then bum their dog...if they haven't got a dog then the DWP can provide one to be bummed Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff