Benefit Smart Cards to be introduced

Benefit Smart Cards to be introduced

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otolith

56,080 posts

204 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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Morningside said:
From what I understand from listening to Radio 4 last night it will ONLY be for people with serious drug problems.
In which case, good news for the home security industry.

wolves_wanderer

12,385 posts

237 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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Rovinghawk said:
TTwiggy said:
I can't remember what the salary point is where an individual becomes a net contributor to the state but I think it's quite high (circa £60k).
Wouldn't this point vary considerably according to no. kids, health, lifestyle, etc?
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-22...

I found the above article interesting as 60k seemed high enough to be more designed to give the PH directors something else to feel superior to everyone else about.

Although from 2012 it suggests around a 40k household income (although heavily dependant on number of kids, education received etc).

otolith

56,080 posts

204 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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kowalski655 said:
Why not just drag them from their homes and send them to a labour camp,and burn their kids for free fuel? And then bum their dog...if they haven't got a dog then the DWP can provide one to be bummed
Confiscate dogs on string from tramps. Then give them to benefit claimants. And then bum them. Sorted.

TTwiggy

11,536 posts

204 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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wolves_wanderer said:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-22...

I found the above article interesting as 60k seemed high enough to be more designed to give the PH directors something else to feel superior to everyone else about.

Although from 2012 it suggests around a 40k household income (although heavily dependant on number of kids, education received etc).
My point stands however that some of the 'eat the poor' club on here are likely to be net 'takers' from the system and, as such, should be happy to wear their leach badge wink

wolves_wanderer

12,385 posts

237 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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TTwiggy said:
wolves_wanderer said:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-22...

I found the above article interesting as 60k seemed high enough to be more designed to give the PH directors something else to feel superior to everyone else about.

Although from 2012 it suggests around a 40k household income (although heavily dependant on number of kids, education received etc).
My point stands however that some of the 'eat the poor' club on here are likely to be net 'takers' from the system and, as such, should be happy to wear their leach badge wink
Nobody on PH "takes" from the system, let alone depends on it for things like education, law & order or any of that lefty nonsense wink

Jasandjules

69,884 posts

229 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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hornetrider said:
Restricting where claimants can spend our tax. I'm all in favour but I imagine the yooman raahts brigade will be up in arms. The proles need to buy their fags and get down the bookies innit.
Can I assume that by happy coincidence the "approved" places to spend money will be owned by Party donors etc?!!?

otolith

56,080 posts

204 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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I'm not sure this is about the opportunity to send business to friends so much as geeing up the troops and stemming the defection to UKIP with a proposal to be beastly to the oiks.

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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Funkycoldribena said:
Would ALL gas and electric companies take the card?
many people on benefits especially JSA and short term ESA are on pre-payment meters , i'm quite sure paypoint will accept these pre-paid debit cards

Funkycoldribena said:
What happens when the plumbing bursts in the middle of the night,have you got to find a plumber that will take the card?
as most people on out of work benefits live in rented property they ring the agent / landlord who settles on account - unless you own your property outright before you go onto benefits you are unlikely to be able to fund maintaining your own property - as HB does not cover mortgages and the help for mortgage interest has a six month qualification period when you are expected to use any savings / other assets to fund your mortgage or sell up.

Funkycoldribena said:
What happens when the dog needs the vet?
if you are in such a position to need to have your benefits on the pre-paid card you'll qualify for the PDSA ...

Funkycoldribena said:
Will bus companies take the card so people can get to interviews?
many LAs all ready have systems in place for subsidised Public transport for eligible benefit claimants

Funkycoldribena said:
Need a suit for interviews,will Matalan take the card?
possibly

Funkycoldribena said:
Kids need uniform that only one shop sells (yes this is true,complete monopoly on badged uniform where I live),will he take the card?
the kind of choatic lifestyle benefit claimant who is forced into the pre-paid card would bbe on FSM and therefore get a seperate school uniform allowance from the LA - which have usually been i nthe form of vouchers/ warrants any way.

Funkycoldribena said:
The list is endless,ridiculous idea.Also never get why people moan about unemployed smokers because most of that money goes straight back to the government.
only ridiculous if you think that people who live the comfortable PHer lifestyle can do so on benefits and if they are of the kind of choatic lifestyle claimant tohe cards will initially be targetted towards ...

lauda

3,475 posts

207 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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Who cares if benefit claimants spend all their money on booze and fags? That way most of it comes back to the Treasury in taxation.

andymc

7,350 posts

207 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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lauda said:
Who cares if benefit claimants spend all their money on booze and fags? That way most of it comes back to the Treasury in taxation.
I would prefer they weren't given the option

kowalski655

14,639 posts

143 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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mph1977 said:
stuff
I think the powerfuly built of PH-ville want ALL dolescum on these cards, no matter what ,not just the lifelong feckless/chaotic/junkies, but those made redundant or who have lost their job when a wonderful capitalist type nicks all the companys cash & does a bunk/phoenix.

Cant happen unless there is a totally cashless economy-what happens if you need to pay the car park fees,or need a pee at the train station?

TTwiggy

11,536 posts

204 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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If our economy were able up offer gainful, living-wage employment to every able bodied adult of employable age who requires it, then there might be no excuse for being unemployed and hence draconian measures like this could be justified.

But it can't and there isn't.

Randy Winkman

16,127 posts

189 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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Morningside said:
From what I understand from listening to Radio 4 last night it will ONLY be for people with serious drug problems.
I wonder if they will try to think of other ways to get money?

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

154 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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mph1977 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Would ALL gas and electric companies take the card?
many people on benefits especially JSA and short term ESA are on pre-payment meters , i'm quite sure paypoint will accept these pre-paid debit cards

Funkycoldribena said:
What happens when the plumbing bursts in the middle of the night,have you got to find a plumber that will take the card?
as most people on out of work benefits live in rented property they ring the agent / landlord who settles on account - unless you own your property outright before you go onto benefits you are unlikely to be able to fund maintaining your own property - as HB does not cover mortgages and the help for mortgage interest has a six month qualification period when you are expected to use any savings / other assets to fund your mortgage or sell up.

Funkycoldribena said:
What happens when the dog needs the vet?
if you are in such a position to need to have your benefits on the pre-paid card you'll qualify for the PDSA ...

Funkycoldribena said:
Will bus companies take the card so people can get to interviews?
many LAs all ready have systems in place for subsidised Public transport for eligible benefit claimants

Funkycoldribena said:
Need a suit for interviews,will Matalan take the card?
possibly

Funkycoldribena said:
Kids need uniform that only one shop sells (yes this is true,complete monopoly on badged uniform where I live),will he take the card?
the kind of choatic lifestyle benefit claimant who is forced into the pre-paid card would bbe on FSM and therefore get a seperate school uniform allowance from the LA - which have usually been i nthe form of vouchers/ warrants any way.

Funkycoldribena said:
The list is endless,ridiculous idea.Also never get why people moan about unemployed smokers because most of that money goes straight back to the government.
only ridiculous if you think that people who live the comfortable PHer lifestyle can do so on benefits and if they are of the kind of choatic lifestyle claimant tohe cards will initially be targetted towards ...
What is this "choatic" lifestyle?

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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Funkycoldribena said:
What is this "choatic" lifestyle?
SPaG flames .. oh come on, surely someone so powerfully built as yourself can knock down my flimsy more time in public sector jobs than 'real ' jobs arguments ...

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

154 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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mph1977 said:
SPaG flames .. oh come on, surely someone so powerfully built as yourself can knock down my flimsy more time in public sector jobs than 'real ' jobs arguments ...
I honestly have no idea what your last two paragraphs say...

SidJames

1,399 posts

233 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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Does anyone remember Luncheon Vouchers?

I got £25 a month in about 1981 and were only redeemable at certain outlets, and for food and soft drinks. Now I know they were paper and we live in an electronic world, but the "market" for these "smartcards" will be exactly the same as "LV's".

Never short of fags and booze, or 75p in the pound on the trading floor.

RichB

51,565 posts

284 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
WoooHOOOoooooo
Another £10 billion government IT project that won't work
Probably but I'll sell them some software to help it fail biglaugh

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

158 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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Funkycoldribena said:
I honestly have no idea what your last two paragraphs say...
Choatic = chaotic

Seperate= separate

Tohe = the

Bbe= be

FSM = free school meals (he does like an acronym)

HTH

mrmr96

13,736 posts

204 months

Tuesday 30th September 2014
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lauda said:
Who cares if benefit claimants spend all their money on booze and fags? That way most of it comes back to the Treasury in taxation.
As stated earlier, if they are given money to look after their kids then they should be spending it on toys, food etc, not sky, booze and fags.