Dj Dr fox arrested

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Adrian W

13,876 posts

229 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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La Liga said:
Why would he be able to sue someone who made the decisions because he was found NG? An understanding of the process may help to realise that's not really going to be possible.



Because that person has ruined his life and the legal system does provide an automatic mechanism to recover all of his costs and lost and future earnings.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

275 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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Adrian W said:
Because that person has ruined his life and the legal system does provide an automatic mechanism to recover all of his costs and lost and future earnings.
not forgetting reputational damage...


SydneyBridge

8,631 posts

159 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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someone or more than one person must have committed perjury in Court, so they deserve to be charged.
hope he is back on Magic but cannot see it happening, his reputation cannot be repaired

Scuffers

20,887 posts

275 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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SydneyBridge said:
someone or more than one person must have committed perjury in Court, so they deserve to be charged.
hope he is back on Magic but cannot see it happening, his reputation cannot be repaired
I'll put a good wager on that never happening...

Trevatanus

11,125 posts

151 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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really pleased about this.
Used to listen to him on Capital when I was younger, really enjoyed his show.
Really hoped he turned out to be innocent.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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SydneyBridge said:
someone or more than one person must have committed perjury in Court, so they deserve to be charged.
Not true. No one "must" have done so at all.

Adrian W said:
Because that person has ruined his life and the legal system does provide an automatic mechanism to recover all of his costs and lost and future earnings.
Ok, so everyone who is charged but found 'not guilty' gets to sue the person who made the decision. Is that what you and others are proposing?



TTwiggy

11,547 posts

205 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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La Liga said:
SydneyBridge said:
someone or more than one person must have committed perjury in Court, so they deserve to be charged.
Not true. No one "must" have done so at all.

Adrian W said:
Because that person has ruined his life and the legal system does provide an automatic mechanism to recover all of his costs and lost and future earnings.
Ok, so everyone who is charged but found 'not guilty' gets to sue the person who made the decision. Is that what you and others are proposing?
Amazing isn't it? I seem to recall that there were also people on here seriously suggesting that anyone who goes NG who is then subsequently found guilty should also be done for PCOJ.

unrepentant

21,272 posts

257 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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BBC said:
Westminster magistrates said the victims were believable but that the bench "could not be sure that in the context it was a criminal offence".
Hardly a vindication is it. One of the girls whose evidence was believed by the magistrates was 14 at the time. The guy's clearly a serial sleaze bag.

birdcage

2,840 posts

206 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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Well we do/did get people on here who like to argue 'not guilty' is still guilty just not proven.

I think they have 'not proven' somewhere but we don't so not guilty is not guilty. It's unequivocal.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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TTwiggy said:
La Liga said:
SydneyBridge said:
someone or more than one person must have committed perjury in Court, so they deserve to be charged.
Not true. No one "must" have done so at all.

Adrian W said:
Because that person has ruined his life and the legal system does provide an automatic mechanism to recover all of his costs and lost and future earnings.
Ok, so everyone who is charged but found 'not guilty' gets to sue the person who made the decision. Is that what you and others are proposing?
Amazing isn't it? I seem to recall that there were also people on here seriously suggesting that anyone who goes NG who is then subsequently found guilty should also be done for PCOJ.
It's the PH 'double-think' that's so good around these high-profile sex offences. The CPS get pinned no matter what.

1) Don't charge = a cover-up / conspiracy BS.

2) Charge but NG = witch hunting.

3) Charged and guilty for relatively minor offences = an agenda / attack the evidence that they haven't seen.









Scuffers

20,887 posts

275 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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La Liga said:
t's the PH 'double-think' that's so good around these high-profile sex offences. The CPS get pinned no matter what.

1) Don't charge = a cover-up / conspiracy BS.

2) Charge but NG = witch hunting.

3) Charged and guilty for relatively minor offences = an agenda / attack the evidence that they haven't seen.
don't think that's really the case.

Issue I see is in the context of the DLT fiasco, this is yet another total waste of public money used to destroy the reputation and lives of public figures for no good reason other than some warped sense of "doing something" after the farce of Savile.


Bradgate

2,826 posts

148 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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unrepentant said:
BBC said:
Westminster magistrates said the victims were believable but that the bench "could not be sure that in the context it was a criminal offence".
Hardly a vindication is it. One of the girls whose evidence was believed by the magistrates was 14 at the time. The guy's clearly a serial sleaze bag.
Agreed. it sounds like 'Mr' Fox is lucky to have been acquitted.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

275 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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Bradgate said:
Agreed. it sounds like 'Mr' Fox is lucky to have been acquitted.
Yes, they could not magic up another victim on time after(afterunlike the DLT case)

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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Scuffers said:
La Liga said:
t's the PH 'double-think' that's so good around these high-profile sex offences. The CPS get pinned no matter what.

1) Don't charge = a cover-up / conspiracy BS.

2) Charge but NG = witch hunting.

3) Charged and guilty for relatively minor offences = an agenda / attack the evidence that they haven't seen.
I don't think that's really the case.
It's clear to see when reading the relevant topics.

Plus you've just demonstrated points 2 and 3.

Scuffers said:
this is yet another total waste of public money used to destroy the reputation and lives of public figures for no good reason other than some warped sense of "doing something" after the farce of Savile.
Presumably it was just coincidental there was sufficient evidence for a prosecution (and for the trial to continue - unless the judge is in on it too!) to go along with the CPS's motive of "doing something".




saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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On the news it said he admitted he indulged in horse play, ultimately the question before the mags was whether horse play was so illegal to be criminal.

How can or do you legislate for what could be said to be human behaviour?

The other issue was the time scale (25 years) between the alleged offences and whether this led to the implication that it was serial.

CPS is trying to find out where the line is. Where is it?

audidoody

8,597 posts

257 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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I worked in publishing in the 1980's. There but for the grace etc go I and thousands of other horny 20-something blokes working with thousands of other up-for-it women. It was a different and (I'd argue) happier time. Before PC.

unrepentant

21,272 posts

257 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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audidoody said:
I worked in publishing in the 1980's. There but for the grace etc go I and thousands of other horny 20-something blokes working with thousands of other up-for-it women. It was a different and (I'd argue) happier time. Before PC.
Made a habit of feeling up 14 year old girls did you?

audidoody

8,597 posts

257 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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unrepentant said:
Made a habit of feeling up 14 year old girls did you?
No.

And neither did he.

Otherwise he would have been found guilty of indecent assault against a minor.


anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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unrepentant said:
Hardly a vindication is it. One of the girls whose evidence was believed by the magistrates was 14 at the time. The guy's clearly a serial sleaze bag.
I hope you have deep pockets. I reckon he'll be coming after people who make such slurs .. McAlpine style

rxtx

6,016 posts

211 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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SydneyBridge said:
someone or more than one person must have committed perjury in Court, so they deserve to be charged.
hope he is back on Magic but cannot see it happening, his reputation cannot be repaired
Craig Charles managed it, but if I remember it took quite some time, I suppose it's never truly forgotten.