A superb Speech and Vow by Cameron well above expectations

[ClaphamGT3]

Murph7355 said:

sjn2004 said:

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ps just to remind you guys, he's been in since 2010 and all he's done is cut Child benefit for some medium/high earners (sending the excess to Eastern European kids) oh and and let me think, oh yes, gay marriage is now legal. Now he promises gold!

There are obviously no guarantees, but remember that he's not in power on his own. And I think the watered down austerity measures are in no small part down to the Lib Dems.

What I'd like to see of all parties is proper commitment to their policies and manifestos with dates and consequences for not making them.

The one thing he cannot and must not do should he get in is blame Labour any more. That ship, whilst justified for the last 5yrs IMO, has now sailed.

Personally I think they've made a reasonable fist of the economy and he's right to focus on it. They haven't cut far enough IMO. But maybe another term would see that happening.

Can't see them getting voted in though.

I would tend to agree. What he has not done -and desperately needs to do - is to connect to the conservative blue collar vote. He needs to show that he can respond to their concerns around their jobs, their incomes, their hopes for their children and that he can give them a better quality of life than Labour.

[Welshbeef]

Murph7355 said:

There are obviously no guarantees, but remember that he's not in power on his own. And I think the watered down austerity measures are in no small part down to the Lib Dems.

What I'd like to see of all parties is proper commitment to their policies and manifestos with dates and consequences for not making them.

The one thing he cannot and must not do should he get in is blame Labour any more. That ship, whilst justified for the last 5yrs IMO, has now sailed.

Personally I think they've made a reasonable fist of the economy and he's right to focus on it. They haven't cut far enough IMO. But maybe another term would see that happening.

Can't see them getting voted in though.

The only thing is Labour still blame the Torys for the 15% interest rates - yet totally forget they caused the UK to need an IMF loan in the 70's as they had bankrupt the country.... Then. They did it again when they came back to power Once is bad luck twice is careless three times you don't even get the chance to try to fail

[lamboman100]

It was a good, but not vintage, speech.

Some soundbites and jokes were a bit laboured.

Dave screwed up the General Election 2010 (shoulda been a landslide), screwed up the Scottish Referendum 2014 (shoulda been an even bigger landslide), bottled an EU Referendum, and will prolly screw up the General Election 2015 (hung parliament or coalition likely). Surprised he still has supporters, tbh.

Sam Cam did look kinda milfy, though.

[jmorgan]

Sounds like a box of knee jerks were opened to get a re election.

[killingjoker]

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What he has not done -and desperately needs to do - is to connect to the conservative blue collar vote. He needs to show that he can respond to their concerns around their jobs, their incomes, their hopes for their children and that he can give them a better quality of life than Labour.
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Massive fail on that front and i won't hold my breath.

Only once (ever in four years) have i heard a bit of real emotion when he spoke about his son. And although i really hate him and what he stands for i understand that.

Other than that all i ever hear is some minted up silver spooned fkwit, born into privilage, who thinks it is his 'god given' right to be PM. Someone who has never had to actually work for a living. The man is an utter .

[simoid]

Personally, I try to choose the people who work for me based on the job I think they can do, not where they came from or how great a I think they are.

[maddog993]

VinceFox said:

I'd not trust that to post a letter without opening it, stealing anything inside, subcontracting the delivery to a fkwit mate, sending it to the wrong place then charging me extra for my own good.

He can fk off. Then when he gets back, he can fk off again, taking that other fking fool that forgets his speeches with him.

WE ARE WHAT WE DO.

I found that more impassioned, succinct & sincere than either Cameron's or Milliband's speeches.

[anonymous-user]

A good speech, well delivered with humour & passion.
The line 'Go to bed with Farage, wake up with Miliband' will be oft repeated in the coming months.
Funny but true, the British public aren't stupid & will act accordingly when the crunch comes..
Maybe not the best speech ever, but not one of the worst ever as 'delivered' by Miliband last week..

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 1st October 23:01

[Mario149]

killingjoker said:

Other than that all i ever hear is some minted up silver spooned fkwit, born into privilage, who thinks it is his 'god given' right to be PM. Someone who has never had to actually work for a living.

O/T, but he probably works longer hours and harder than 95% or more of people on PH, so he may not actually *have* to work for a living, but he does work hard (as have all our PMs, it's not that DC is necessarily harder working than his predecessors) . There are *much* easier and less stressful ways of earning £140k a year (or more importantly, the £84k it gets you after tax) with a much better quality of personal life. You couldn't tempt me slightly with the PM's job for £140k a year, let alone £67k for a boggo MP's job.

[gruffalo]

smn159 said:

Welshbeef said:

smn159 said:

Caught a bit of it on the news, but sounded like tax cuts maybe in a few years for the better off, provided that all sorts of improbable things happen?

Tax free threshold increased to £12.5k that's helping everyone especially the lowest paid as that makes the biggest difference to them.

Min wage working 30hours a week no tax to pay that is superb taking a further 1million people out of tax altogether

Maybe, in April 2020 if the deficit is gone by then - so don't hold your breath

So what would your option be, vote for the party that over spent by such a massive amount to put us in this debt position?

[RichB]

gruffalo said:

So what would your option be, vote for the party that over spent by such a massive amount to put us in this debt position?

There are no options just like there was "no money".

[simoid]

Cameron said inequality rose under Labour, and is falling under the Tories. What's the chat there, anybody got the figures?

[Welshbeef]

simoid said:

Cameron said inequality rose under Labour, and is falling under the Tories. What's the chat there, anybody got the figures?

Labour will have one set of stats Torys another - just like SNP pro Yes v Pro No all the experts and legal advice sought both sides essentially get to a draw on if

[0000]

Only a speech but nevertheless the best speech of the week I thought. Said just about everything he possibly be expected to and then some.

The bloc voters still won't vote for them though so I guess the economy'll be up the stter again soon enough.

[Pesty]

Leading on climate change. Vote ukip get labour...

You must have seen a different speach because he's using a lot of words and saying fk all.

Sound bites let us build a Britain blah blah , I love this country. All just wishy washy words.



Vote Tory get labour.

[iphonedyou]

killingjoker said:

Massive fail on that front and i won't hold my breath.

Only once (ever in four years) have i heard a bit of real emotion when he spoke about his son. And although i really hate him and what he stands for i understand that.

Other than that all i ever hear is some minted up silver spooned fkwit, born into privilage, who thinks it is his 'god given' right to be PM. Someone who has never had to actually work for a living. The man is an utter .

I don't think, of the two of you, Cameron is the ****. Get that chip on your shoulder seen to. So he has more money than you - boo fking hoo, fella.

[ClaphamGT3]

killingjoker said:

What he has not done -and desperately needs to do - is to connect to the conservative blue collar vote. He needs to show that he can respond to their concerns around their jobs, their incomes, their hopes for their children and that he can give them a better quality of life than Labour.

Massive fail on that front and i won't hold my breath.

Only once (ever in four years) have i heard a bit of real emotion when he spoke about his son. And although i really hate him and what he stands for i understand that.

Other than that all i ever hear is some minted up silver spooned fkwit, born into privilage, who thinks it is his 'god given' right to be PM. Someone who has never had to actually work for a living. The man is an utter .

It's an interesting disparity in life that you - and many others like you - think it okay to describe someone in those terms, whereas if he, or someone like him, described you as a chippy, foul-mouthed peasant from the provinces who can't even spell properly then you and people like you would undoubtedly be the first to condemn him for being classist.

The guy is well educated and has inherited a bob or two. Explain to me why that makes him a bad person or a bad Prime Minister?

(oh and don't say "he hasn't even had a proper career outside politics!" Because, with the exception of John Major and *possibly* Margaret Thatcher, no Prime Minister since Asquith has had a proper career outside politics)

[BrassMan]

VinceFox said:

He can fk off. Then when he gets back, he can fk off again, taking that other fking fool that forgets his speeches with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU

Clapham? PH is heaving with top-down class warrior sentiments. See underclass, scum, scroungers and most posters banging on about class warriors.

[sjn2004]

Mario149 said:

killingjoker said:

Other than that all i ever hear is some minted up silver spooned fkwit, born into privilage, who thinks it is his 'god given' right to be PM. Someone who has never had to actually work for a living.

O/T, but he probably works longer hours and harder than 95% or more of people on PH, so he may not actually *have* to work for a living, but he does work hard (as have all our PMs, it's not that DC is necessarily harder working than his predecessors) . There are *much* easier and less stressful ways of earning £140k a year (or more importantly, the £84k it gets you after tax) with a much better quality of personal life. You couldn't tempt me slightly with the PM's job for £140k a year, let alone £67k for a boggo MP's job.

Oh god, not that 140k a year gross distraction! Tell us how much Tony Blair has earned since stepping down for the sole reason he used to be PM????

[simoid]

sjn2004 said:

Oh god, not that 140k a year gross distraction! Tell us how much Tony Blair has earned since stepping down for the sole reason he used to be PM????

A few tens of millions? I still would rather have my life than his or any PM.