Don't laugh, but SNP have just put stamp duty up to 10%!

Don't laugh, but SNP have just put stamp duty up to 10%!

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LucreLout

908 posts

118 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Would it seem cynical if I asked where the majority of revenue from this tax will be raised, areas that voted no or areas that voted yes?

Jasandjules

69,890 posts

229 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Well, that's the property market f**ed...

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

204 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Jasandjules said:
Well, that's the property market f**ed...
only if you are traitorous scum you work

simoid

19,772 posts

158 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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LucreLout said:
Would it seem cynical if I asked where the majority of revenue from this tax will be raised, areas that voted no or areas that voted yes?
Higher wealth generally equals higher propensity to vote no, but this was announced years ago by the SNP.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Jasandjules said:
Well, that's the property market f**ed...
...certainly won't help! Dear me, I wonder what the demographics are going to be after a decade of this sort of st? Can't see many with aspiration heading north.

JagLover

42,412 posts

235 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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blindswelledrat said:
In fact that is a better system than ours!
Ours is stupid the way you pay the full amount if you breach a threshold.
Agreed

Don't agree with a top rate of 10% but in all other respects it is a superior system as it gets rid of the distortion on the property market.

simoid

19,772 posts

158 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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REALIST123 said:
...certainly won't help! Dear me, I wonder what the demographics are going to be after a decade of this sort of st? Can't see many with aspiration heading north.
How will the stamp duty cause a demographics change?

Oakey

27,566 posts

216 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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blindswelledrat said:
ATG said:
keith333 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Unbelievable! SNP are saying that stamp duty for houses £250k to £1 mil will be 10%, 12% on houses above £1 mil. 0% up to £135k and 2% from 135k - £250k.

There are plenty houses up here from £300-350k which hard working people are going to pay huge amounts of tax on and money after they've paid tax on too.
Sounds like you'll pay about 1% on a 350k house. Nothing on the first 135k, 2.3k on the 115k that takes you up to 250, then 10% of the 100k that takes you up to 350k. So the tax is 3.3k ... If I can count right in my head.

The tax starts to rocket for more expensive houses, but for the majority it'll represent a cut or little change. Welcome to Cuba without the sun ... to misquote a French economic advisor.
In fact that is a better system than ours!
Ours is stupid the way you pay the full amount if you breach a threshold.
I'm confused, is this still a better system assuming ATG doesn't live in a topsy turvy world where ten percent of £100k isn't £10k?

Murph7355

37,714 posts

256 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Free universities need to be paid for somehow...

BrownBottle

1,370 posts

136 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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BlackLabel said:
From that twitter feed:





Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 9th October 17:58
Looks good.

Much fairer for the majority of people.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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simoid said:
REALIST123 said:
...certainly won't help! Dear me, I wonder what the demographics are going to be after a decade of this sort of st? Can't see many with aspiration heading north.
How will the stamp duty cause a demographics change?
On it's own it won't. I didn't say it would.


basherX

2,477 posts

161 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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BrownBottle said:
BlackLabel said:
From that twitter feed:





Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 9th October 17:58
Looks good.

Much fairer for the majority of people.
Would be interesting to see that with the proportion affected on a cumulative basis

paranoid airbag

2,679 posts

159 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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BrownBottle said:
BlackLabel said:
From that twitter feed:





Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 9th October 17:58
Looks good.

Much fairer for the majority of people.
Indeed everyone whose wealth comes from working, or investing in businesses that have the potential to grow, rather than in controlling the flow of a fundamentally scarce resource.

I can't think of a legal use of money less productive for society as a whole than "investing" in houses that already exist.

scz4

2,503 posts

241 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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BBC - "Under the new system, 90% of taxpayers and 95% of non-residential taxpayers would be better or no worse off, Mr Swinney added."

Would love to know how they calculated this....



SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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scz4 said:
BBC - "Under the new system, 90% of taxpayers and 95% of non-residential taxpayers would be better or no worse off, Mr Swinney added."

Would love to know how they calculated this....
Are they saying 90% of scottish property sales are for less than £300k? I could believe that's true.

stiglet

1,082 posts

234 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Could it be because 90 % of taxpayers who were thinking of upgrading from a 300k house now won't bother/ will extend.

wink



As per some previous posts, I agree that the theory of a "non-slabbed" basis of property purchase tax is not without merit but some sectors of the market will be hit hard

EG on a £500k purchase, under existing UK regime, Stamp Duty Land Tax = £15,000 and under Tartan regime Land and Building Transaction Tax = £27,300

Ouch


Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Silly SNP

otolith

56,125 posts

204 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Let's get them in the big hooses!

0a

23,901 posts

194 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Wow, what an incentive not to base or start a business in Scotland and live there.

simoid

19,772 posts

158 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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REALIST123 said:
simoid said:
REALIST123 said:
...certainly won't help! Dear me, I wonder what the demographics are going to be after a decade of this sort of st? Can't see many with aspiration heading north.
How will the stamp duty cause a demographics change?
On it's own it won't. I didn't say it would.
No worries, slightly confused as to your point then, if "this sort of st" doesn't cause demographic change...?

Or do you just mean SNP policies?

I've had a long day smile