Don't laugh, but SNP have just put stamp duty up to 10%!

Don't laugh, but SNP have just put stamp duty up to 10%!

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keith333

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370 posts

142 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Unbelievable! SNP are saying that stamp duty for houses £250k to £1 mil will be 10%, 12% on houses above £1 mil. 0% up to £135k and 2% from 135k - £250k.

There are plenty houses up here from £300-350k which hard working people are going to pay huge amounts of tax on and money after they've paid tax on too.

jshell

11,006 posts

205 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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yikes

tomw2000

2,508 posts

195 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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They are bobbins.

Lost soul

8,712 posts

182 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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The truth will out hehe

And here it comes

vescaegg

25,549 posts

167 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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So a £20k tax increase for the 1p from £250,000.00 to £250,000.01.

Or will they be sensible and do it like income tax?

ATG

20,575 posts

272 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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keith333 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Unbelievable! SNP are saying that stamp duty for houses £250k to £1 mil will be 10%, 12% on houses above £1 mil. 0% up to £135k and 2% from 135k - £250k.

There are plenty houses up here from £300-350k which hard working people are going to pay huge amounts of tax on and money after they've paid tax on too.
Sounds like you'll pay about 1% on a 350k house. Nothing on the first 135k, 2.3k on the 115k that takes you up to 250, then 10% of the 100k that takes you up to 350k. So the tax is 3.3k ... If I can count right in my head.

The tax starts to rocket for more expensive houses, but for the majority it'll represent a cut or little change. Welcome to Cuba without the sun ... to misquote a French economic advisor.

paulrockliffe

15,702 posts

227 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Says 135 to 250 I'd marginal, but not clear if 250 upwards I'd marginal as well?

Stamp should be marginal, so it's a step in the right direction, though the percentages look like a good way to depress prices.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

232 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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ATG said:
keith333 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Unbelievable! SNP are saying that stamp duty for houses £250k to £1 mil will be 10%, 12% on houses above £1 mil. 0% up to £135k and 2% from 135k - £250k.

There are plenty houses up here from £300-350k which hard working people are going to pay huge amounts of tax on and money after they've paid tax on too.
Sounds like you'll pay about 1% on a 350k house. Nothing on the first 135k, 2.3k on the 115k that takes you up to 250, then 10% of the 100k that takes you up to 350k. So the tax is 3.3k ... If I can count right in my head.

The tax starts to rocket for more expensive houses, but for the majority it'll represent a cut or little change. Welcome to Cuba without the sun ... to misquote a French economic advisor.
In fact that is a better system than ours!
Ours is stupid the way you pay the full amount if you breach a threshold.

Soov535

35,829 posts

271 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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keith333 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Unbelievable! SNP are saying that stamp duty for houses £250k to £1 mil will be 10%, 12% on houses above £1 mil. 0% up to £135k and 2% from 135k - £250k.

There are plenty houses up here from £300-350k which hard working people are going to pay huge amounts of tax on and money after they've paid tax on too.
rofl

Chunts.

Be careful what you wish for, Scotland.


Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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ATG said:
keith333 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Unbelievable! SNP are saying that stamp duty for houses £250k to £1 mil will be 10%, 12% on houses above £1 mil. 0% up to £135k and 2% from 135k - £250k.

There are plenty houses up here from £300-350k which hard working people are going to pay huge amounts of tax on and money after they've paid tax on too.
Sounds like you'll pay about 1% on a 350k house. Nothing on the first 135k, 2.3k on the 115k that takes you up to 250, then 10% of the 100k that takes you up to 350k. So the tax is 3.3k ... If I can count right in my head.

The tax starts to rocket for more expensive houses, but for the majority it'll represent a cut or little change. Welcome to Cuba without the sun ... to misquote a French economic advisor.
I'm not sure if it's your maths or mine, but I make the tax £12.3k, not £3.3k, given that 10% of the remaining £100k is £10k on its own.

lauda

3,476 posts

207 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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ATG said:
Sounds like you'll pay about 1% on a 350k house. Nothing on the first 135k, 2.3k on the 115k that takes you up to 250, then 10% of the 100k that takes you up to 350k. So the tax is 3.3k ... If I can count right in my head.
I think you'll find its more like £12,300 on a £350,000 house, so about 3.5% of the total value.

That's not dissimilar to south of the border but if you were buying a £700,000 place, the tax would be £47,300 compared to £35,000 in England and Wales.

simoid

19,772 posts

158 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Soov535 said:
rofl

Chunts.

Be careful what you wish for, Scotland.
Only a minority of Scotland wished for an SNP government. A fairly large one, mind.

Still, they don't like rich people. What better way to get rid of them by making it more difficult to sell up silly

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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It'll probably have a dampening effect on house prices above the £250k threshold, although I think making it marginal is a little fairer in principle than the English version, but 10% is a little greedy I think.

tim0409

4,413 posts

159 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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The SNP realised a while back that the only way they will ever succeed with their dream of independence is to lurch to the left to hoover up all the discontented ex-labour voters, and that is exactly what they are doing. I really do hope this kick-starts a revival for the Scottish Conservatives as the only option for those who believe in sensible levels of taxation.

simoid

19,772 posts

158 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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I'm not sure on the marginality confused

Gavin Brown MSP:

And he attacked the new property tax, asking: "How can the cabinet secretary justify an eye-watering 10% tax on houses over the value of £250,000?"

keith333

Original Poster:

370 posts

142 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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RBS blog here https://twitter.com/RBS_Economics so lower priced properties have stamp duty almost identical to the rest of the UK, but there's a point where it suddenly gets a lot higher. Maybe above £450k?

simoid

19,772 posts

158 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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tim0409 said:
The SNP realised a while back that the only way they will ever succeed with their dream of independence is to lurch to the left to hoover up all the discontented ex-labour voters, and that is exactly what they are doing. I really do hope this kick-starts a revival for the Scottish Conservatives as the only option for those who believe in sensible levels of taxation.
Independence would've killed them - they never wanted that. They want more power for themselves in Scotland, and a large minority of the country who will vote for them no matter what since they're basically brainwashed against UK political parties.

That's exactly what they've got.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

123 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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keith333 said:
RBS blog here https://twitter.com/RBS_Economics so lower priced properties have stamp duty almost identical to the rest of the UK, but there's a point where it suddenly gets a lot higher. Maybe above £450k?
From that twitter feed:





Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 9th October 17:58

simoid

19,772 posts

158 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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BlackLabel said:
From that tweeter feed:


Ah that's fairly conclusive smile

tim0409

4,413 posts

159 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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simoid said:
I'm not sure on the marginality confused

Gavin Brown MSP:

And he attacked the new property tax, asking: "How can the cabinet secretary justify an eye-watering 10% tax on houses over the value of £250,000?"
It is marginal. Further details....

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Government/Finan...



Edited by tim0409 on Thursday 9th October 18:32