UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[NicD]

TheRealFingers99 said:

NicD said:

if that matters to you more than the reaming out of our once great country.

More cliches!

Britain's greatness (if, indeed, it was such) was pretty much expended with WW2 and the loss of empire. There's no way of returning to the past.

no argument, and it was a 'greatness' built on the shoulders and misery of many, but I don't see any connection between this and the relatively recent loss of sovereignty to the EU. That can certainly be reclaimed.

[FiF]

dandarez said:

BlackLabel said:

FiF said:

How many seats will Ukip win at the general election?

http://gu.com/p/42dtx

Continuing with my 3-6 maybe 10.

Interesting.

The 'interesting' bit on that map is one word at the foot.

Guardian
(they should have added another word after it ...'agenda')

Nobody has a clue as to how many seats UKIP will win, or come very close to winning, at the GE.
But the facts are clear. NOTHING is stopping the Kipper train at the moment.
If it keeps at its current momentum, who knows what could happen?

MGJohn's comment above, if you actually 'speak' to people in the street, is how many are indeed thinking.
There could be a massive shock in store the established parties.
Like MGJohn, I too, say 'GOOD!' About bloody time.

What is known is that CDM is absolutely scared stless of UKIP.
The 'facts' tell you this.
The economy is apparently recovering, unemployment is very low and falling etc, yet he is pushing so hard now with his own anti-immigration, right there at the top of his agenda. But the truth is he can't do a bloody thing about the EU.

Very unfair saying Guardian agenda. It's quite a reasonable analysis based on the current data.

What you're doing is then applying outright speculation driven possibly by personal bias. That's not good practice. You may be right but could be spectacularly wrong.

Just looking at the list, Clacton in likely to win, Rochester and Strood one category down, Middleton and Heywood in chance of winning. Sounds about right at the moment.

In other news Greens claiming they are targeting twelve seats and may be included in leadership debates. UKIP claiming this is Cameron move to mess up the debates which is a bit tin foil hat.

Edited by FiF on Sunday 19th October 16:52

[Art0ir]

steveT350C said:

They finally admit what we have been saying here for years,

Tory chairman Grant Shapps dismisses Barroso as 'unelected bureaucrat'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798891/ca...

This was all predicted. The posturing, the tit for tat snipes, the sound bites... Cameron must be the weakest leader in a long time. He's either been promised an EU position or is completely incompetent.

[TheRealFingers99]

NicD said:

no argument, and it was a 'greatness' built on the shoulders and misery of many, but I don't see any connection between this and the relatively recent loss of sovereignty to the EU. That can certainly be reclaimed.

I don't see it as more important (and I believe in small government -- worker's soviets) than the benefits of closer integration and co-operation.

One conundrum I'm forever posing to Kippers is that a Federation of Europe is opposed, while I see little demand for the succession of (say) Ohio, or even Alaska, from the United States of America. Yet the more intellectual Kippers seem to be taking on board many of the ideas of the US Libertarian Right.

[Art0ir]

TheRealFingers99 said:

I don't see it as more important (and I believe in small government -- worker's soviets) than the benefits of closer integration and co-operation.

One conundrum I'm forever posing to Kippers is that a Federation of Europe is opposed, while I see little demand for the succession of (say) Ohio, or even Alaska, from the United States of America. Yet the more intellectual Kippers seem to be taking on board many of the ideas of the US Libertarian Right.

You just compared the EU to the US didn't you?

You are Mattnun AICMFP.

[FiF]

Art0ir said:

steveT350C said:

They finally admit what we have been saying here for years,

Tory chairman Grant Shapps dismisses Barroso as 'unelected bureaucrat'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798891/ca...

This was all predicted. The posturing, the tit for tat snipes, the sound bites... Cameron must be the weakest leader in a long time. He's either been promised an EU position or is completely incompetent.

It's all the Tory party knows what to do. Someone tells them some home truths, points out the empty rhetoric as just that, they reply with insults.

Has beens under Cameron.

[mrpurple]

TheRealFingers99 said:

I don't see it as more important (and I believe in small government -- worker's soviets) than the benefits of closer integration and co-operation.

One conundrum I'm forever posing to Kippers is that a Federation of Europe is opposed, while I see little demand for the succession of (say) Ohio, or even Alaska, from the United States of America. Yet the more intellectual Kippers seem to be taking on board many of the ideas of the US Libertarian Right.

Being one of the less intellectual Kippers I have no idea what planet you are on let alone understand your post..why should we be demanding succession of Ohio / Alaska from the USA?

[powerstroke]

Art0ir said:

This was all predicted. The posturing, the tit for tat snipes, the sound bites... Cameron must be the weakest leader in a long time. He's either been promised an EU position or is completely incompetent.

Detached from the real world in his bubble of wealth,spin and toady mates !! Dont know which will be worse next may, waking up to a milliband goverment or another 5 years of CMD???

[TheRealFingers99]

mrpurple said:

Being one of the less intellectual Kippers I have no idea what planet you are on let alone understand your post..why should we be demanding succession of Ohio / Alaska from the USA?

Kipper's shouldn't be demanding it (the US is not their country). But it seems no one in the US apart from a few fruitcakes with issues with the FBI, ATF, etc. see Federation as an issue.

Perhaps you need to acquire an intellect?

[NicD]

TheRealFingers99 said:

NicD said:

no argument, and it was a 'greatness' built on the shoulders and misery of many, but I don't see any connection between this and the relatively recent loss of sovereignty to the EU. That can certainly be reclaimed.

I don't see it as more important (and I believe in small government -- worker's soviets) than the benefits of closer integration and co-operation.

One conundrum I'm forever posing to Kippers is that a Federation of Europe is opposed, while I see little demand for the succession of (say) Ohio, or even Alaska, from the United States of America. Yet the more intellectual Kippers seem to be taking on board many of the ideas of the US Libertarian Right.

Its a question, but better aimed at residents of the US, but you are not seriously advancing the proposition that the UK (for me England) enjoys the same benefits as a US state?
If so, please give some examples as seems extremely far fetched. I mean, you are deluded The US operates on free markets, here in the UK, it seems more wishy, washy, liberal concepts.Btw, even the US has many, many people on benefits and welfare. If a resident of say Ohio drives up to Alaska, can they demand immediate housing and welfare? I have no idea, but doubt it.

I have no idea what you base this on, but why not actually stick to the debate:
'Yet the more intellectual Kippers seem to be taking on board many of the ideas of the US Libertarian Right.'

[TheRealFingers99]

Art0ir said:

You just compared the EU to the US didn't you?

You are Mattnun AICMFP.

Read what I posted, I know it's a struggle for you. I compared a Federation of Europe (the bete noir of Kipperdom, surely) with the US.

I don't know Mattnum. Looked him up, but don't do Twitter.

[FiF]

NicD said:

TheRealFingers99 said:

NicD said:

no argument, and it was a 'greatness' built on the shoulders and misery of many, but I don't see any connection between this and the relatively recent loss of sovereignty to the EU. That can certainly be reclaimed.

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I don't see it as more important (and I believe in small government -- worker's soviets) than the benefits of closer integration and co-operation.

One conundrum I'm forever posing to Kippers is that a Federation of Europe is opposed, while I see little demand for the succession of (say) Ohio, or even Alaska, from the United States of America. Yet the more intellectual Kippers seem to be taking on board many of the ideas of the US Libertarian Right.

Its a question, but better aimed at residents of the US, but you are not seriously advancing the proposition that the UK (for me England) enjoys the same benefits as a US state?
If so, please give some examples as seems extremely far fetched. I mean, you are deluded The US operates on free markets, here in the UK, it seems more wishy, washy, liberal concepts.Btw, even the US has many, many people on benefits and welfare. If a resident of say Ohio drives up to Alaska, can they demand immediate housing and welfare? I have no idea, but doubt it.

I have no idea what you base this on, but why not actually stick to the debate:
'Yet the more intellectual Kippers seem to be taking on board many of the ideas of the US Libertarian Right.'

I think the poster meant secession rather than succession.

Considering that, plus the other day he got lose and loose mixed up, then had the brass neck to make a sneering post regarding English grammar speaks volumes about that particular poster.

[NicD]

FiF said:

I think the poster meant secession rather than succession.

I interpreted it that way and replied accordingly (whether worth the effort??)

Nic

[TheRealFingers99]

FiF said:

I think the poster meant secession rather than succession.

Considering that, plus the other day he got lose and loose mixed up, then had the brass neck to make a sneering post regarding English grammar speaks volumes about that particular poster.

Yep. You need to differentiate between grammar and spelling.


grammar

noun
1.
the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics.
synonyms: syntax, rules of language, morphology, semantics; More

spelling

noun
the process or activity of writing or naming the letters of a word.
"the books and spelling in my class were too simple"
the way a word is spelled.
plural noun: spellings
"the spelling of his name was influenced by French"
a person's ability to spell words.
"her spelling was deplorable"

[Scuffers]

And you need to learn to be less pedantic

[don4l]

mrpurple said:

TheRealFingers99 said:

I don't see it as more important (and I believe in small government -- worker's soviets) than the benefits of closer integration and co-operation.

One conundrum I'm forever posing to Kippers is that a Federation of Europe is opposed, while I see little demand for the succession of (say) Ohio, or even Alaska, from the United States of America. Yet the more intellectual Kippers seem to be taking on board many of the ideas of the US Libertarian Right.

Being one of the less intellectual Kippers I have no idea what planet you are on let alone understand your post..why should we be demanding succession of Ohio / Alaska from the USA?

I think that he is using autocorrect.

[TheRealFingers99]

don4l said:

I think that he is using autocorrect.

Spellcheck. But, of course, it can't differentiate between two similar sounding (and correctly spelled) words. This is the main reason that there are still "poof leaders" in publishing.

[JustAnotherLogin]

johnxjsc1985 said:

It does bother me and it does concern me that we did on two occasions sort out the st storm in Europe and yet the fkers still have little respect for this Country.

You have a good point. Any country should be grateful to a country that has helped save them, and all they have got in return is unelected overlords, and then to be treated with contempt.

I am sure RAF squadron 303 (the one that claimed more enemy aircraft destroyed than any others) would agree entirely.

So would the mathematicians who made the early breakthroughs in breaking Enigma in 1939 (at Pyry before Bletchley was even formed)

To pick a few

[TheRealFingers99]

Scuffers said:

And you need to learn to be less pedantic

You mean, "less correct"?

[Scuffers]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Scuffers said:

And you need to learn to be less pedantic

You mean, "less correct"?

No, i meant what i said...

You could also try to be less of a narcissist