UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
Wombat3 said:
The obvious answer is to convert "free movement of people" into "free movement of labour with a job to go to". If you have work you can come in, if you don't you can't.
That's what it could, arguably should be: http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/explainers/w...Listening to Barosso earlier in the week on the Today Programme, he defended free movement on the basis that it was illogical to have free movement of capital and companies without people; even accepting that premise, capital and companies are about commerce, so it would be logical to restrict movement of people likewise to commerce. That's in essence what the article above explains is the position. The wrinkles come in the detail: we offer those who come looking for work JSA from day one. Some other countries don't. We allow family members of a person who fits an entry criteria to follow them in; there are obvious justifications for this, but at the same time it opens a door to abuse.
UKIP talks about reclaiming our borders, but if the UK was to become less attractive to migrant non-workers, or migrant pseudo workers - call them what you will, but essentially those who come here because we are generous and perceived to be a "soft touch" - then axiomatically you reduce the influx of those who come simply or primarily to leech off the system. You could do all that whilst still in the EU, and I would bet (although I haven't looked into it) without breaching a raft of EU law. Obviously the devil in the detail, etc, but there would appear to be the means there to reduce the drain our the system simply by making the UK less attractive. UKIP's "reclaim our borders" cry seems a bit of pointless but jingoistic flag waving.
In the midst of all this, it should not be forgotten (at least IMO) that the male eastern European who comes here with his family, gets a job, pays his taxes, puts his children into the local school and uses the NHS contributes rather more to the UK financially that the homegrown idle git who doesn't bother with work, has a family, lives off benefits, and is happy as Larry doing so.
Forget the EU once and for all. It's a failing idea.
The commonwealth however, specifically India......
'...while projected total spending on infrastructure over the next five years will be around $1 trillion'
'Having received more than 212 million votes, Modi knows the economic, development and political stakes could not be any higher. That is why he has promised to deliver, and he is delivering fast. Within just five months of coming to power, India has seen its Wholesale Price Index inflation rate fall to a five year low of 2.38 per cent in September, an interest rate cut is inevitable and foreign exchange reserves are up again to $312 billion. India is on the move and this time it is waiting for no one.
The task ahead is of biblical proportions, with over 500 million people needing training by 2022 in the world’s largest English speaking nation as they seek to join the estimated 547 million strong middle-class by 2025, which will want to fill the seats of the 430 new Airbus planes ordered by India’s biggest airline – IndiGo totalling around $40 billion.' etc etc.
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/10/a...
Or we could just focus on the EU
The commonwealth however, specifically India......
'...while projected total spending on infrastructure over the next five years will be around $1 trillion'
'Having received more than 212 million votes, Modi knows the economic, development and political stakes could not be any higher. That is why he has promised to deliver, and he is delivering fast. Within just five months of coming to power, India has seen its Wholesale Price Index inflation rate fall to a five year low of 2.38 per cent in September, an interest rate cut is inevitable and foreign exchange reserves are up again to $312 billion. India is on the move and this time it is waiting for no one.
The task ahead is of biblical proportions, with over 500 million people needing training by 2022 in the world’s largest English speaking nation as they seek to join the estimated 547 million strong middle-class by 2025, which will want to fill the seats of the 430 new Airbus planes ordered by India’s biggest airline – IndiGo totalling around $40 billion.' etc etc.
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/10/a...
Or we could just focus on the EU
steveT350C said:
Interesting stuff...If the numbers are in any way accurate, it basically is nutty to stay in...
Leading British Jewish group criticises Ukip’s fund saving tie-up with Congress of the New Right MEP Robert Iwaszkiewicz
Anyone surprised? Even the Front National refused to crawl into bed with them.
Anyone surprised? Even the Front National refused to crawl into bed with them.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Leading British Jewish group criticises Ukip’s fund saving tie-up with Congress of the New Right MEP Robert Iwaszkiewicz
Anyone surprised? Even the Front National refused to crawl into bed with them.
"He said it was "realpolitik" to co-operate with people they would not work with in the UK - claiming the Tories were in alliance with Turkish Islamists, and Labour with Croatian homophobes." Paul NuttallAnyone surprised? Even the Front National refused to crawl into bed with them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29706001
TheRealFingers99 said:
Leading British Jewish group criticises Ukip’s fund saving tie-up with Congress of the New Right MEP Robert Iwaszkiewicz
Anyone surprised? Even the Front National refused to crawl into bed with them.
Anyone surprised that the guardian article failed to mention why Farage needed to get someone else on board? Oh, hang on, here it is, the quote from the Guardian...Anyone surprised? Even the Front National refused to crawl into bed with them.
"The EFDD has been desperate to recruit a new MEP since last Thursday when Iveta Grigule, a Latvian member of the group, resigned
steveT350C said:
http://businessforbritain.org/2014/09/25/change-or...
"The document sets out the key challenges facing the European Union today, the urgent need for reform of the UK’s relationship with the EU, and how, in the absence of substantive reform, Britain would have nothing to fear from a future outside the European Union."
I have not yet read the document that this article refers to, but will do this evening.
Cut to the main course here..
http://businessforbritain.org/changeorgo.pdf
after reading that i really do wonder why the hell we have avoided a referendum for so long. if the numbers are correct we either leave or shrivel and die along with the rest of europe."The document sets out the key challenges facing the European Union today, the urgent need for reform of the UK’s relationship with the EU, and how, in the absence of substantive reform, Britain would have nothing to fear from a future outside the European Union."
I have not yet read the document that this article refers to, but will do this evening.
Cut to the main course here..
http://businessforbritain.org/changeorgo.pdf
Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 21st October 18:35
Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 21st October 18:36
jogon said:
Anyone see C4 news - talk of the Conservatives Open selection which cost them £40k WILL go towards their £100k spend limit for the by-election, apparently the Tories thought otherwise, and now overspent. The result could be overturned even if they did win. Which doesn't look likely. 
Now that is genuinely funny...On the Sunday politics show, they were adamant that the primaries cost was not counted as they did not have an election candidate.
jogon said:
Anyone see C4 news - talk of the Conservatives Open selection which cost them £40k WILL go towards their £100k spend limit for the by-election, apparently the Tories thought otherwise, and now overspent. The result could be overturned even if they did win. Which doesn't look likely.
Over spent already?forget that....just read it.
Edited by mrpurple on Tuesday 21st October 20:31
Greg66 said:
Disastrous said:
I'm wary of posting this as PH seems very sensitively pro-UKIP but did anyone watch Winston McKenzie on Newsnight last night?
Utterly bizarre.
My question is really just "why does UKIP allow itself to be represented by mutters like that?" He's actually pretty thick as well as being mad and it surely harms the party.
I don't support UKIP but I do feel that if they want to be taken seriously, they surely need to drop the lunatics and raise their game a bit. Interested in whether the more fervent supporters here feel the same and cringe a bit when they see last night, or whether they think he's a good representative?
Full story for those who didn't see it, albeit biased against them:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/21/ukip-wi...
Holy Christ on a bike. Utterly bizarre.
My question is really just "why does UKIP allow itself to be represented by mutters like that?" He's actually pretty thick as well as being mad and it surely harms the party.
I don't support UKIP but I do feel that if they want to be taken seriously, they surely need to drop the lunatics and raise their game a bit. Interested in whether the more fervent supporters here feel the same and cringe a bit when they see last night, or whether they think he's a good representative?
Full story for those who didn't see it, albeit biased against them:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/21/ukip-wi...
He's UKIP's Commonwealth spokesman, is he? Trusted and put forward by UKIP to represent it on serious national news programme.
If ever one needed proof that the depth of talent in UKIP is nil, and that its leaders have zero judgment, you've got it, right there.
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