UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
steveT350C said:
http://www.th-eu-nit.com/index.php?option=com_cont...
mrpurple said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Leading British Jewish group criticises Ukip’s fund saving tie-up with Congress of the New Right MEP Robert Iwaszkiewicz
Anyone surprised? Even the Front National refused to crawl into bed with them.
"He said it was "realpolitik" to co-operate with people they would not work with in the UK - claiming the Tories were in alliance with Turkish Islamists, and Labour with Croatian homophobes." Paul NuttallAnyone surprised? Even the Front National refused to crawl into bed with them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29706001
Korvin-Mikke really is at the bottom of the barrel.
Even if you take Farage at face value, and the EP is just about money and a voice of sorts, a sensible politician would have taken the "daft" choice and taken the alliance offered by the Dadaists. After all, UKIP in the EP is mainly about grabbing the money and clowning about.
steveT350C said:
It's all very civil on here today. best behave myself. 
Continuing with civility, Farage wishing Barroso a happy retirement
http://www.ukipmeps.org/articles_959_Farage-Thank-...
Just a thought are there any recent speeches like this from the Con or Lab leaders, all I have ever witnessed is scripted nonsense?Continuing with civility, Farage wishing Barroso a happy retirement
http://www.ukipmeps.org/articles_959_Farage-Thank-...
don4l said:
Greg66 said:
Disastrous said:
I'm wary of posting this as PH seems very sensitively pro-UKIP but did anyone watch Winston McKenzie on Newsnight last night?
Utterly bizarre.
My question is really just "why does UKIP allow itself to be represented by mutters like that?" He's actually pretty thick as well as being mad and it surely harms the party.
I don't support UKIP but I do feel that if they want to be taken seriously, they surely need to drop the lunatics and raise their game a bit. Interested in whether the more fervent supporters here feel the same and cringe a bit when they see last night, or whether they think he's a good representative?
Full story for those who didn't see it, albeit biased against them:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/21/ukip-wi...
Holy Christ on a bike. Utterly bizarre.
My question is really just "why does UKIP allow itself to be represented by mutters like that?" He's actually pretty thick as well as being mad and it surely harms the party.
I don't support UKIP but I do feel that if they want to be taken seriously, they surely need to drop the lunatics and raise their game a bit. Interested in whether the more fervent supporters here feel the same and cringe a bit when they see last night, or whether they think he's a good representative?
Full story for those who didn't see it, albeit biased against them:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/21/ukip-wi...
He's UKIP's Commonwealth spokesman, is he? Trusted and put forward by UKIP to represent it on serious national news programme.
If ever one needed proof that the depth of talent in UKIP is nil, and that its leaders have zero judgment, you've got it, right there.
Going to enjoy this
TheRealFingers99 said:
Even if you take Farage at face value, and the EP is just about money and a voice of sorts, a sensible politician would have taken the "daft" choice and taken the alliance offered by the Dadaists. After all, UKIP in the EP is mainly about grabbing the money and clowning about.
Where do you get this crap from?You realise all the quotes about this are actually from his party leader and not the man in question?
NicD said:
Please don't feed the nasty troll, just ignore them.
I got it wrong again dad.....sorry 
eta: for the younger generation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ8HjDRrHt0
Edited by mrpurple on Tuesday 21st October 20:50
mrpurple said:
steveT350C said:
http://www.th-eu-nit.com/index.php?option=com_cont...
wc98 said:
after reading that i really do wonder why the hell we have avoided a referendum for so long. if the numbers are correct we either leave or shrivel and die along with the rest of europe.
Why, becuase the "majority" of people who have no clue how business works are allowed to vote, yet they are generally employed by people who want a referendum now!And before anyone says no, I am not talking about certain big businesses that are in the pockets of politicians and the EU lining their own pockets without a care in the worlds for the real future of britain.
Scuffers said:
Where do you get this crap from?
You realise all the quotes about this are actually from his party leader and not the man in question?
So he innocently joined a party led by a woman hating, black hating creep with a history of Holocaust denial? One too extreme for Le Pen? The poor unfortunate. Perhaps he thought he was joining the Communist Party? You realise all the quotes about this are actually from his party leader and not the man in question?
wc98 said:
steveT350C said:
http://businessforbritain.org/2014/09/25/change-or...
"The document sets out the key challenges facing the European Union today, the urgent need for reform of the UK’s relationship with the EU, and how, in the absence of substantive reform, Britain would have nothing to fear from a future outside the European Union."
I have not yet read the document that this article refers to, but will do this evening.
Cut to the main course here..
http://businessforbritain.org/changeorgo.pdf
after reading that i really do wonder why the hell we have avoided a referendum for so long. if the numbers are correct we either leave or shrivel and die along with the rest of europe."The document sets out the key challenges facing the European Union today, the urgent need for reform of the UK’s relationship with the EU, and how, in the absence of substantive reform, Britain would have nothing to fear from a future outside the European Union."
I have not yet read the document that this article refers to, but will do this evening.
Cut to the main course here..
http://businessforbritain.org/changeorgo.pdf
Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 21st October 18:35
Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 21st October 18:36
"EU in relative decline" - EU GDP is roughly parity with US. BRIC & Developing countries are catching but EU is still huge. Note also that how rich we as individuals are is GDP per capita - see below
"EU is falling further behind" - notice the sudden switch to Eurozone rather than EU? We aren't in the Eurozone so EU is what is important and IMF estimates for 2017 (the year they chose to use for obvious reasons rather than actual data) are $19.5bn (on PPP as they have used) - well above the Commonwealth and roughly on a par with China
"EU has relatively declining population". Well yes, I'd be more worried if EU population was keeping pace with developing countries. Notice also that the GDP per head (i.e. how rich each of us) is is doing rather better than the GDP figures, because China and Commonwealth are doing so via a bigger population, whereas our GDP is keeping pace but with stable population
etc
I know there are lies, damned lies and statistics, but it isn't hard to pick these apart
TheRealFingers99 said:
Scuffers said:
Where do you get this crap from?
You realise all the quotes about this are actually from his party leader and not the man in question?
So he innocently joined a party led by a woman hating, black hating creep with a history of Holocaust denial? One too extreme for Le Pen? The poor unfortunate. Perhaps he thought he was joining the Communist Party? You realise all the quotes about this are actually from his party leader and not the man in question?
Scuffers said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Even if you take Farage at face value, and the EP is just about money and a voice of sorts, a sensible politician would have taken the "daft" choice and taken the alliance offered by the Dadaists. After all, UKIP in the EP is mainly about grabbing the money and clowning about.
Where do you get this crap from?You realise all the quotes about this are actually from his party leader and not the man in question?
sjn2004 said:
I actually googled this party with the keyword holocaust expecting a stack of results. Nope, just links to todays press, so was this ever said in public as I would have expected lots of online references to it.
Did you try the Polish term for Holocaust, or did you just expect that in the typically parochial 'kipper fashion that Google would translate the content of the entire Internet to English for you on the fly?Scuffers said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Scuffers said:
Where do you get this crap from?
You realise all the quotes about this are actually from his party leader and not the man in question?
So he innocently joined a party led by a woman hating, black hating creep with a history of Holocaust denial? One too extreme for Le Pen? The poor unfortunate. Perhaps he thought he was joining the Communist Party? You realise all the quotes about this are actually from his party leader and not the man in question?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/21/ni...
"Korwin-Mikke, whose party has two remaining MEPs and received 7.5% support in Poland during May’s European parliamentary elections, is one of the most outspoken figures within the far-right groupings of parliament.
In July, he declared in English that the minimum wage should be “destroyed” and said that “four million
s” lost their jobs in the US as a result of the US president John F Kennedy signing a bill on the minimum wage in 1961.He went on to claim that 20 million young Europeans were being treated as “negroes” because of the minimum wage. He refused to apologise and was fined 10 days of allowances for his comments.
Korwin-Mikke has also called for the vote to be taken away from women, has claimed that the difference between rape and consensual sex was “very subtle” and has said that Adolf Hitler was “probably not aware that Jews were being exterminated”."
And
"Iwaszkiewicz caused controversy when he reportedly said that hitting a woman could “help them come back down to earth”, which he later claimed had been a joke."
More here.
No.....and if you need a taxi, I suggest you get the Uber app, rather than cruising PH.JustAnotherLogin said:
wc98 said:
steveT350C said:
http://businessforbritain.org/2014/09/25/change-or...
"The document sets out the key challenges facing the European Union today, the urgent need for reform of the UK’s relationship with the EU, and how, in the absence of substantive reform, Britain would have nothing to fear from a future outside the European Union."
I have not yet read the document that this article refers to, but will do this evening.
Cut to the main course here..
http://businessforbritain.org/changeorgo.pdf
after reading that i really do wonder why the hell we have avoided a referendum for so long. if the numbers are correct we either leave or shrivel and die along with the rest of europe."The document sets out the key challenges facing the European Union today, the urgent need for reform of the UK’s relationship with the EU, and how, in the absence of substantive reform, Britain would have nothing to fear from a future outside the European Union."
I have not yet read the document that this article refers to, but will do this evening.
Cut to the main course here..
http://businessforbritain.org/changeorgo.pdf
Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 21st October 18:35
Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 21st October 18:36
"EU in relative decline" - EU GDP is roughly parity with US. BRIC & Developing countries are catching but EU is still huge. Note also that how rich we as individuals are is GDP per capita - see below
"EU is falling further behind" - notice the sudden switch to Eurozone rather than EU? We aren't in the Eurozone so EU is what is important and IMF estimates for 2017 (the year they chose to use for obvious reasons rather than actual data) are $19.5bn (on PPP as they have used) - well above the Commonwealth and roughly on a par with China
"EU has relatively declining population". Well yes, I'd be more worried if EU population was keeping pace with developing countries. Notice also that the GDP per head (i.e. how rich each of us) is is doing rather better than the GDP figures, because China and Commonwealth are doing so via a bigger population, whereas our GDP is keeping pace but with stable population
etc
I know there are lies, damned lies and statistics, but it isn't hard to pick these apart
You may spin your perception of the presentation to your heart's content; the facts however, until you show otherwise, remain.
It is a shame the UK is currently unable to sign its own trade deal with India (due to being shackled by the EU), and help India spend their $1trillion earmarked for infrastructure over the next 5 years. And that's just for starters....
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/10/a...
steveT350C said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
wc98 said:
steveT350C said:
http://businessforbritain.org/2014/09/25/change-or...
"The document sets out the key challenges facing the European Union today, the urgent need for reform of the UK’s relationship with the EU, and how, in the absence of substantive reform, Britain would have nothing to fear from a future outside the European Union."
I have not yet read the document that this article refers to, but will do this evening.
Cut to the main course here..
http://businessforbritain.org/changeorgo.pdf
after reading that i really do wonder why the hell we have avoided a referendum for so long. if the numbers are correct we either leave or shrivel and die along with the rest of europe."The document sets out the key challenges facing the European Union today, the urgent need for reform of the UK’s relationship with the EU, and how, in the absence of substantive reform, Britain would have nothing to fear from a future outside the European Union."
I have not yet read the document that this article refers to, but will do this evening.
Cut to the main course here..
http://businessforbritain.org/changeorgo.pdf
Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 21st October 18:35
Edited by steveT350C on Tuesday 21st October 18:36
"EU in relative decline" - EU GDP is roughly parity with US. BRIC & Developing countries are catching but EU is still huge. Note also that how rich we as individuals are is GDP per capita - see below
"EU is falling further behind" - notice the sudden switch to Eurozone rather than EU? We aren't in the Eurozone so EU is what is important and IMF estimates for 2017 (the year they chose to use for obvious reasons rather than actual data) are $19.5bn (on PPP as they have used) - well above the Commonwealth and roughly on a par with China
"EU has relatively declining population". Well yes, I'd be more worried if EU population was keeping pace with developing countries. Notice also that the GDP per head (i.e. how rich each of us) is is doing rather better than the GDP figures, because China and Commonwealth are doing so via a bigger population, whereas our GDP is keeping pace but with stable population
etc
I know there are lies, damned lies and statistics, but it isn't hard to pick these apart
You may spin your perception of the presentation to your heart's content; the facts however, until you show otherwise, remain.
It is a shame the UK is currently unable to sign its own trade deal with India (due to being shackled by the EU), and help India spend their $1trillion earmarked for infrastructure over the next 5 years. And that's just for starters....
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/10/a...
In which case you will know that their recommendations are:
A referendum is key to securing change (the briefing note as a whole)
“The status quo is not an option. Ministers must pursue reform and renegotiation .” (John Longworth,
British Chambers of Commerce)
“IoD members… recognise that the EU has to change, and it makes sense to put such changes to the British people.” (Simon Walker, Institute of Directors)
“It is time that Labour’s leadership took a new look at the referendum question.”(Len McCluskey,Unite)
"It is clear that the EU needs to change. To get the big reforms we want and the renegotiation we need, it is vital that we have a referendum by the end of 2017.We need an In/Out vote to show that we are serious." Final summary recommendation.
i.e. exactly the Tory policy. Not UKIP's policy. Still keen on the paper?
eharding said:
sjn2004 said:
I actually googled this party with the keyword holocaust expecting a stack of results. Nope, just links to todays press, so was this ever said in public as I would have expected lots of online references to it.
Did you try the Polish term for Holocaust, or did you just expect that in the typically parochial 'kipper fashion that Google would translate the content of the entire Internet to English for you on the fly?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff