UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[longblackcoat]

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

[Axionknight]

CamMoreRon said:

I'm highlighting a (not very) subtle hypocrisy.

The readiness to believe that immigration is a strong enough issue to found an entire electoral campaign on vs. the refusal to acknowledge the impact of tax avoidance - one accepted with little or no evidence and the other rejected due to lack of "concrete evidence".

850 million eh? I'd love to see a source for that number..

It isn't their entire electoral campaign though, is it?

As for your source, my local radio station mentioned it this morning, here is a link to their website, on which they site the National Audit Office.

http://www.northsound1.com/news/uk-and-world/20141...

[Mrr T]

Guam said:

Syrians getting in via Calais now, cant see this proving to be a problem.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/525760/Police-cat...

Following the news this morning regarding the foreign criminal scandals, it is clear the Govt really have no answer to this issue.

For CMD to pretend they do is monumental spin, how will renegotiation help with any of this?

Also why are we not sending these guys back to France by the next boat?

Do concerns over issues like this really make folk "wacist"?

Can I ask are you a kipper?

I ask as I do see so many bizarre posts like this and its always a kipper.

So lets start these people are illegal immigrants. CMD OR EU LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

Why do we not send them back to France? BECAUSE FRANCE WILL NOT ACCEPT THEM.

Under current law only the country which allowed them to enter the EU has any obligation to accept them. So even if they admitted they entered the EU via France, its unlikely they will say anything, France will dispute this. Returning any illegal immigrant once they are on UK soil is very hard.

For once more UK cooperation with the southern EU countries to restrict entry might be a good idea.

[Axionknight]

Mrr T said:

Can I ask are you a kipper?

I ask as I do see so many bizarre posts like this and its always a kipper.

Do you oft argue with a fish?

[Mr GrimNasty]

Oh dear God, now white men singing Calypso style is racist!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29722...

[CamMoreRon]

Axionknight said:

It isn't their entire electoral campaign though, is it?

As for your source, my local radio station mentioned it this morning, here is a link to their website, on which they site the National Audit Office.

http://www.northsound1.com/news/uk-and-world/20141...

Well if internet opinion is anything to go by, the majority think immigration is the single biggest issue right now.

Ok, I looked in to your article a little bit..

Headline: 4,200 "foreign" "convicts" in the UK.

Let's take the worst case and assume they all came over last year, when 501,840 visas were issued to UK immigrants - a percentage of 0.008 were, or went on to become, convicted criminals. (SOURCE)

950,000 people were proceeded against for indictable and non-motoring crimes last year (SOURCE) out of a total population of 64,100,000 people - a percentage of 0.015, or roughly twice that of immigrants for the same period.

Obviously a massive generalisation, as 64.1m includes babies, toddlers, the elderly etc etc, and proceedings do not always end in conviction However, not all foreign "criminals" will have arrived last year, either. You also have to question the term "criminal" in your article as there are no numbers to back it up, and we all know how certain media voices love to use the world "criminal" so liberally.

Anyway.. the point is that immigrants do not seem to have a significantly higher percentage of criminals in their population. It seems your article is purely one-sided sensationalism over what at first appears to be a large number. However, the claims they make based on it do not stand up to scrutiny. At all.

[JF87]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Oh dear God, now white men singing Calypso style is racist!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29722...

I know - ridiculous, isn't it? All Mike Read was trying to do was remind the sensible electorate just what a toe-curling international embarrassment the UKIP phenomenon remains.

[dandarez]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Oh dear God, now white men singing Calypso style is racist!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29722...

I just heard this on Sky. Mike Read had told his record company to withdraw it.

What a bloody sad country this has become. You could not make it up! Racist? OFFS. Chuck Berry's old song rewritten.

I'm off to try and get a copy, this will be a collectible now and some silly bugger will pay me a bucketload for it.

Watch the bidding on this.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1p-Sale-Ukip-Calypso-Mik...

'Words' have become more offensive than a knife in the chest.

Hopefully, more and more and more will now climb aboard the Kipper train.

[dandarez]

JF87 said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Oh dear God, now white men singing Calypso style is racist!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29722...

I know - ridiculous, isn't it? All Mike Read was trying to do was remind the sensible electorate just what a toe-curling international embarrassment the UKIP phenomenon remains.

Sensible electorate?

What, those who vote for CallMeSlickDave, Cleggie and Milleepeed? And the 'Greens'.
Sensible?

I think you just defeated your own argument!

[mrpurple]

longblackcoat said:

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

I don't think they will either, in fact I know they won't...but they might just, if we are lucky, be in a position to influence whoever does. Why else do CMD, and you on his behalf, not just stick to ignoring them instead of exerting so much energy running round like headless chickens.

Talking of chickens - what is the best way to stop a fox getting in the henhouse and upsetting my dog at 3am? I know I'll ask Nige when he comes round he's an expert on these things

[zygalski]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Oh dear God, now white men singing Calypso style is racist!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29722...

Has-been 1980's DJ's putting on crappy West Indian accents singing about stopping immigration is pretty pathetic.
Having heard some of the song I think the music industry will eventually recover. May take some time though.

[Esseesse]

zygalski said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Oh dear God, now white men singing Calypso style is racist!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29722...

Has-been 1980's DJ's putting on crappy West Indian accents singing about stopping immigration is pretty pathetic.
Having heard some of the song I think the music industry will eventually recover. May take some time though.

You're still believing that anyone is wanting to stop immigration?

Edited by Esseesse on Wednesday 22 October 11:49

[longblackcoat]

mrpurple said:

longblackcoat said:

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

I don't think they will either, in fact I know they won't...but they might just, if we are lucky, be in a position to influence whoever does. Why else do CMD, and you on his behalf, not just stick to ignoring them instead of exerting so much energy running round like headless chickens.

Talking of chickens - what is the best way to stop a fox getting in the henhouse and upsetting my dog at 3am? I know I'll ask Nige when he comes round he's an expert on these things

If you seriously want to know about chickens, PM me - I keep them and have the world's most OTT electric fence to protect the henhouse and run. The foxes simply don't come in the garden any more once they've had one zap.

[Mr_B]

Esseesse said:

zygalski said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Oh dear God, now white men singing Calypso style is racist!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29722...

Has-been 1980's DJ's putting on crappy West Indian accents singing about stopping immigration is pretty pathetic.
Having heard some of the song I think the music industry will eventually recover. May take some time though.

You're still believing that anyone is wanting to stop immigration?

Edited by Esseesse on Wednesday 22 October 11:49

It's OK to twist what has been said and lie when you believe you are on the moral side and fighting racism. At least in Zyg's mind it is.

[JF87]

dandarez said:

Sensible electorate?

What, those who vote for CallMeSlickDave, Cleggie and Milleepeed? And the 'Greens'.
Sensible?

I think you just defeated your own argument!

Do UKIP supporters seriously believe that stunts like this don't alienate everyone but barmy closet racists? I do hope so!

[Disastrous]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Oh dear God, now white men singing Calypso style is racist!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29722...

If not actually racist, it's certainly as embarrassing than a drunken, 70's Uncle feeling up a teenage girl at a wedding and telling jokes about 'soots'...

I can't get my head round UKIP associating themselves with it. Zero self-awareness..

[Axionknight]

CamMoreRon said:

Well if internet opinion is anything to go by, the majority think immigration is the single biggest issue right now.

Ok, I looked in to your article a little bit..

Headline: 4,200 "foreign" "convicts" in the UK.

Let's take the worst case and assume they all came over last year, when 501,840 visas were issued to UK immigrants - a percentage of 0.008 were, or went on to become, convicted criminals. (SOURCE)

950,000 people were proceeded against for indictable and non-motoring crimes last year (SOURCE) out of a total population of 64,100,000 people - a percentage of 0.015, or roughly twice that of immigrants for the same period.

Obviously a massive generalisation, as 64.1m includes babies, toddlers, the elderly etc etc, and proceedings do not always end in conviction However, not all foreign "criminals" will have arrived last year, either. You also have to question the term "criminal" in your article as there are no numbers to back it up, and we all know how certain media voices love to use the world "criminal" so liberally.

Anyway.. the point is that immigrants do not seem to have a significantly higher percentage of criminals in their population. It seems your article is purely one-sided sensationalism over what at first appears to be a large number. However, the claims they make based on it do not stand up to scrutiny. At all.

It's still a good chunk of money that is spent in a somewhat needless fashion though, is it not? Regardless of the numbers? I'm aware of the size of the deficit and this is indeed a small number, but it's still needless expenditure.

In my opinion, anyway, regardless of the level of crime commited by migrants, illegal or otherwise, there needs to be tighter controls on those who are allowed to come to live and work in this country - Australia and New Zealand are prime examples, they conduct thorough background checks prior to allowing migrants to settle in their countries and we should do also.

Murderers, thieves, rapists and other such ne'er do wells are (in my opinion) not what this country needs, we need skilled workers to fill gaps within skill shortages the coutry faces, be that tradesmen/women, doctors/nurses, legal practioners - what ever. Unemployable, barely educated migrants who are unable to even speak our language CLEARLY are unable to benefit our country (how can they contribute, if they are unable to speak the lingo***), and if they are known criminals then even more the reason they should not be allowed in.

Case in point: Alice Gross was murdered by a Latvian national who was convicted, in his own country, of killing his wife in 1997, he stabbed her to death, served a jail term and was released - he was then admitted into the UK, presumably with limited checks on his past due to the Schengen agreement, where he then killed again.

• *

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration...

Edited by Axionknight on Wednesday 22 October 12:22

Edited by Axionknight on Wednesday 22 October 12:23

Edited by Axionknight on Wednesday 22 October 12:26

[HonestIago]

As a UKIP member and supporter I am appalled by the song - not because it is racist but because it is truly awful! UKIP should have distanced themselves from it, not endorsed it IMO.

[johnxjsc1985]

JF87 said:

Do UKIP supporters seriously believe that stunts like this don't alienate everyone but barmy closet racists? I do hope so!

its surprising just how many posters feel the need to include the word "racist" in the UKIP thread.

[zygalski]

johnxjsc1985 said:

its surprising just how many posters feel the need to include the word "racist" in the UKIP thread.

Agreed.
Xenophobic is far more accurate.