UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[Disastrous]

johnxjsc1985 said:

JF87 said:

Do UKIP supporters seriously believe that stunts like this don't alienate everyone but barmy closet racists? I do hope so!

its surprising just how many posters feel the need to include the word "racist" in the UKIP thread.

But utterly irrelevant to the question posed there.

I think honestiago above seems to nail it - as a UKIP supporter he's able to see that the song is st and embarrassing and that endorsing it shows poor judgement.

[Axionknight]

zygalski said:

Agreed.
Xenophobic is far more accurate.

Care to explain how?

[Esseesse]

HonestIago said:

As a UKIP member and supporter I am appalled by the song - not because it is racist but because it is truly awful! UKIP should have distanced themselves from it, not endorsed it IMO.

I agree. However being swayed either way by it is on the same level as not voting for Miliband because he can't eat a bacon sandwich (not accusing you personally). Stupid decision yes, a big deal no.

[johnxjsc1985]

Disastrous said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

JF87 said:

Do UKIP supporters seriously believe that stunts like this don't alienate everyone but barmy closet racists? I do hope so!

its surprising just how many posters feel the need to include the word "racist" in the UKIP thread.

But utterly irrelevant to the question posed there.

I think honestiago above seems to nail it - as a UKIP supporter he's able to see that the song is st and embarrassing and that endorsing it shows poor judgement.

if "poor judgement " is their only crime.....Poor judgement and Politics go hand in hand,

[Wombat3]

mrpurple said:

longblackcoat said:

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

I don't think they will either, in fact I know they won't...but they might just, if we are lucky, be in a position to influence whoever does. Why else do CMD, and you on his behalf, not just stick to ignoring them instead of exerting so much energy running round like headless chickens.

They might, but you'll feel pretty silly for the next 5 years if that gamble fails.

[Disastrous]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Disastrous said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

JF87 said:

Do UKIP supporters seriously believe that stunts like this don't alienate everyone but barmy closet racists? I do hope so!

its surprising just how many posters feel the need to include the word "racist" in the UKIP thread.

But utterly irrelevant to the question posed there.

I think honestiago above seems to nail it - as a UKIP supporter he's able to see that the song is st and embarrassing and that endorsing it shows poor judgement.

if "poor judgement " is their only crime.....Poor judgement and Politics go hand in hand,

"If poor judgement is there only crime...what?"

I wouldn't argue that poor judgement and politics go hand in hand but it doesn't excuse it IMO. I'd like to vote for a party that display good judgement.

I just think that if UKIP want to build a successful campaign, they need to cut adrift the loonies and the thick, and present a smooth, professional public face. I don't think they should endorse novelty songs that could be taken incredibly badly by liberal communities but perhaps you think it doesn't harm them.

[CamMoreRon]

Axionknight said:

zygalski said:

Agreed.
Xenophobic is far more accurate.

Care to explain how?

"Xenophobia is the unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange."

Axionknight said:

It's still a good chunk of money that is spent in a somewhat needless fashion though, is it not? Regardless of the numbers? I'm aware of the size of the deficit and this is indeed a small number, but it's still needless expenditure.

In my opinion, anyway, regardless of the level of crime commited by migrants, illegal or otherwise, there needs to be tighter controls on those who are allowed to come to live and work in this country - Australia and New Zealand are prime examples, they conduct thorough background checks prior to allowing migrants to settle in their countries and we should do also.

Murderers, thieves, rapists and other such ne'er do wells are (in my opinion) not what this country needs, we need skilled workers to fill gaps within skill shortages the coutry faces, be that tradesmen/women, doctors/nurses, legal practioners - what ever. Unemployable, barely educated migrants who are unable to even speak our language CLEARLY are unable to benefit our country (how can they contribute, if they are unable to speak the lingo***), and if they are known criminals then even more the reason they should not be allowed in.

Case in point: Alice Gross was murdered by a Latvian national who was convicted, in his own country, of killing his wife in 1997, he stabbed her to death, served a jail term and was released - he was then admitted into the UK, presumably with limited checks on his past due to the Schengen agreement, where he then killed again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration...

Yeah, I agree that it's needless to be spending £70,000 per person on criminal behaviour, but I'm sure that number isn't significantly higher than the cost per UK offender.

I would absolutely agree with you that we shouldn't be allowing serious repeat offenders or murderers in to the country, but you don't need UKIP to achieve this. The majority of opinion I hear from people (bear in mind I live in Romford) is that there are too many immigrant taking our jobs, our houses, and our welfare money - and that's a deluded argument. The sensationalising of crime figures is just the icing on the cake in an attempt to not sound racist.

[Esseesse]

Wombat3 said:

mrpurple said:

longblackcoat said:

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

I don't think they will either, in fact I know they won't...but they might just, if we are lucky, be in a position to influence whoever does. Why else do CMD, and you on his behalf, not just stick to ignoring them instead of exerting so much energy running round like headless chickens.

They might, but you'll feel pretty silly for the next 5 years if that gamble fails.

Why? And they're already having a large influence right now.

[don4l]

Axionknight said:

Clegg has turned his party in to a laughing stock.

He has had good help from Huhne, Handicock, Cyril Smith and many others.

[mrpurple]

Wombat3 said:

mrpurple said:

longblackcoat said:

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

I don't think they will either, in fact I know they won't...but they might just, if we are lucky, be in a position to influence whoever does. Why else do CMD, and you on his behalf, not just stick to ignoring them instead of exerting so much energy running round like headless chickens.

They might, but you'll feel pretty silly for the next 5 years if that gamble fails.

Silly.......why silly? Bit disappointed perhaps but not silly. Will just go back to being apathetic to politics. Not sure what you mean "gamble" I doubt my life will change very much whoever wins but I have a sneaky suspicion yours just might.

[McWigglebum4th]

Wombat3 said:

They might, but you'll feel pretty silly for the next 5 years if that gamble fails.

We can say exactly the same about voting Tory

As i don't think Dave has the balls to offer a referendum

He will negotiate a better parking space and a nicer office in the EU and come back claiming a total success therefore no need to have a referendum

[Wombat3]

mrpurple said:

Wombat3 said:

mrpurple said:

longblackcoat said:

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

I don't think they will either, in fact I know they won't...but they might just, if we are lucky, be in a position to influence whoever does. Why else do CMD, and you on his behalf, not just stick to ignoring them instead of exerting so much energy running round like headless chickens.

They might, but you'll feel pretty silly for the next 5 years if that gamble fails.

Silly.......why silly? Bit disappointed perhaps but not silly. Will just go back to being apathetic to politics. Not sure what you mean "gamble" I doubt my life will change very much whoever wins but I have a sneaky suspicion yours just might.

It might indeed, I have every expectation that a Labour government will fk up what are important earning years for me. In fact I'm fairly confident they'll fk just about everything up.

....and the one thing you can take to the bank is that they won't have done a single thing about immigration by 2020 because they won't hold a referendum & so there will be no need for the EU to negotiate about anything.

[Wombat3]

McWigglebum4th said:

Wombat3 said:

They might, but you'll feel pretty silly for the next 5 years if that gamble fails.

We can say exactly the same about voting Tory

As i don't think Dave has the balls to offer a referendum

He will negotiate a better parking space and a nicer office in the EU and come back claiming a total success therefore no need to have a referendum

Its an opinion - but I don't even hear UKIP saying he won't do it if he is in government, so I would doubt it has much basis in fact.

[mrpurple]

Wombat3 said:

mrpurple said:

Wombat3 said:

mrpurple said:

longblackcoat said:

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

I don't think they will either, in fact I know they won't...but they might just, if we are lucky, be in a position to influence whoever does. Why else do CMD, and you on his behalf, not just stick to ignoring them instead of exerting so much energy running round like headless chickens.

They might, but you'll feel pretty silly for the next 5 years if that gamble fails.

Silly.......why silly? Bit disappointed perhaps but not silly. Will just go back to being apathetic to politics. Not sure what you mean "gamble" I doubt my life will change very much whoever wins but I have a sneaky suspicion yours just might.

It might indeed, I have every expectation that a Labour government will fk up what are important earning years for me. In fact I'm fairly confident they'll fk just about everything up.

....and the one thing you can take to the bank is that they won't have done a single thing about immigration by 2020 because they won't hold a referendum & so there will be no need for the EU to negotiate about anything.

http://ukip.datawareonline.co.uk/JoinOnline.aspx?type=1

[Wombat3]

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

mrpurple said:

longblackcoat said:

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

I don't think they will either, in fact I know they won't...but they might just, if we are lucky, be in a position to influence whoever does. Why else do CMD, and you on his behalf, not just stick to ignoring them instead of exerting so much energy running round like headless chickens.

They might, but you'll feel pretty silly for the next 5 years if that gamble fails.

Why? And they're already having a large influence right now.

Simples. If Miliband wins, UIP's "influence" will be non existant

[mrpurple]

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

mrpurple said:

longblackcoat said:

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

I don't think they will either, in fact I know they won't...but they might just, if we are lucky, be in a position to influence whoever does. Why else do CMD, and you on his behalf, not just stick to ignoring them instead of exerting so much energy running round like headless chickens.

They might, but you'll feel pretty silly for the next 5 years if that gamble fails.

Why? And they're already having a large influence right now.

Simples. If Miliband wins, UIP's "influence" will be non existant

Perhaps now is a good time to start your own thread......Tories the future...and we can pop along to have a giggle now and again.

[Mrr T]

McWigglebum4th said:

We can say exactly the same about voting Tory

As i don't think Dave has the balls to offer a referendum

He will negotiate a better parking space and a nicer office in the EU and come back claiming a total success therefore no need to have a referendum

I disagree. Not because I trust CMD but because the Tory party is now firmly EU sceptic.

If CMD backs down on a referendum then his back benchers will rebel.

Thats why a vote in 2015 for UKIP is now a vote to stay in the EU.

[HonestIago]

Esseesse said:

HonestIago said:

As a UKIP member and supporter I am appalled by the song - not because it is racist but because it is truly awful! UKIP should have distanced themselves from it, not endorsed it IMO.

I agree. However being swayed either way by it is on the same level as not voting for Miliband because he can't eat a bacon sandwich (not accusing you personally). Stupid decision yes, a big deal no.

Indeed. UKIP could do virtually anything between now and May and I will still vote for them. I am sure I am far from alone in that sentiment!

[FredClogs]

I'd love to know what actually led Mike Read to the realisation that his little party piece guitar sing along was racist.

[cayman-black]

FredClogs said:

I'd love to know what actually led Mike Read to the realisation that his little party piece guitar sing along was racist.

WTF who are these people offended by this?

Edited by cayman-black on Wednesday 22 October 13:51