UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[Mr GrimNasty]

Esseesse said:

You're still believing that anyone is wanting to stop immigration?

Edited by Esseesse on Wednesday 22 October 11:49

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh. Don't rock the banana boat. Daylight come and me [NOT] wan' go home.

[Mr GrimNasty]

cayman-black said:

WTF who are these people offended buy this?

Pretending to be offended, forcing retractions/apologies or PC grounds, is just a tactic for shutting down legitimate debate. It's how the evil of cultural Marxism rolls, their standard operating procedure to control language and the debate and enforce their views. Of course there's an army of willing would be enforcers, the sort that would be first to collaborate with secret police and turn in their granny in the event of an invasion. It's all about power. Sad people feeling that they have some power over other people.

It is normal to sing Calypso style in a mock accent. Declaring it racist is as stupid as saying it is racist for a white man to do a rap song.

[johnxjsc1985]

HonestIago said:

Indeed. UKIP could do virtually anything between now and May and I will still vote for them. I am sure I am far from alone in that sentiment!

I am with you on that one.
Westminster has to change and this is the only chance I have had to register a vote that says I don't trust any of the main 3 parties to do anything but serve themselves and make money for themselves.

[powerstroke]

Mrr T said:

McWigglebum4th said:

We can say exactly the same about voting Tory

As i don't think Dave has the balls to offer a referendum

He will negotiate a better parking space and a nicer office in the EU and come back claiming a total success therefore no need to have a referendum

I disagree. Not because I trust CMD but because the Tory party is now firmly EU sceptic.

If CMD backs down on a referendum then his back benchers will rebel.

Thats why a vote in 2015 for UKIP is now a vote to stay in the EU.

Round and round we go !! I'm voting Ukip because I don't like the Tory's and what they stand for, they used to be the only small government pro free enterprise party so they were the least worse option but we know big business and green crap drives them not the best interests of us proles
So they can fk right off ..

[BGARK]

zygalski said:

Xenophobic
Racist
Kipper
Stupid
You cant say that
You cant do that
etc..

Any more for any more?

[zygalski]

HonestIago said:

Indeed. UKIP could do virtually anything between now and May and I will still vote for them. I am sure I am far from alone in that sentiment!

That is because you are indeed 'honest', in the Shakespearean sense of the word.

[Esseesse]

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

mrpurple said:

longblackcoat said:

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

I don't think they will either, in fact I know they won't...but they might just, if we are lucky, be in a position to influence whoever does. Why else do CMD, and you on his behalf, not just stick to ignoring them instead of exerting so much energy running round like headless chickens.

They might, but you'll feel pretty silly for the next 5 years if that gamble fails.

Why? And they're already having a large influence right now.

Simples. If Miliband wins, UIP's "influence" will be non existant

Not sure about that. If Miliband wins where are the voters that normally swing between Lab/Con going to go? He's currently in opposition so is likely more popular now than he will be when he's PM. They're pro-EU and will face the same issues when in government, the argument that Labour isn't working for the low paid will be strong. By-elections where Labour currently beats UKIP by 600 votes will fall to UKIP etc...

[zygalski]

BGARK said:

Any more for any more?

Grass is greener mentality
Misplaced nostalgia
Swivelly-eyed
Politics based on fear & ignorance
Short-sighted

By the way, most kippers aren't (outwardly) racist. The debate has moved on since simple-minded racism accusations. The modern sophisticated kipper would never act in a blatantly racist way or the game would be up, the thin veil of respectability gone.
You can't really assume someone is a racist if they aren't outwardly racist in their views or actions, can you?

[Wombat3]

Mrr T said:

McWigglebum4th said:

We can say exactly the same about voting Tory

As i don't think Dave has the balls to offer a referendum

He will negotiate a better parking space and a nicer office in the EU and come back claiming a total success therefore no need to have a referendum

I disagree. Not because I trust CMD but because the Tory party is now firmly EU sceptic.

If CMD backs down on a referendum then his back benchers will rebel.

Thats why a vote in 2015 for UKIP is now a vote to stay in the EU.

I'm not sure I'd put in those terms (a bit too black & white UKIP-ish for me)

A vote for UKIP does however, undoubtedly risk delivering a labour government (except for McWiggle of course who's vote makes no difference as he keeps reminding us!)

There are two "truths" peddled relentlessly hereabouts with which few in the media or the world of politics (even UKIP) seem to agree

One is that "Dave is a liar & won't deliver a referendum" - not even Farage says that. The second is that a strong vote for UKIP will not necessarily deliver a Labour government when every analysis done by independent polling companies suggests it might very well do exactly that.

The idea that UKIP might hold the balance of power is also a nonsense. Labour will not even sit down at a table with UK - they will do something with what ever is left of the Lib Dems & whoever else they can cobble a minority government together with. Referendum? They'd sooner stick pins in their eyes.

The Tories might sit down with UKIP & indeed it might even be fairly straightforward - the key UKIP goal is an EU exit. Almost everyone agrees that needs a referendum, that's in the Tory manifesto already.

....but its not going to happen IMO because the reality is that the way the constituencies work, most of the seats UKIP may take will be ex Tory which will see Milli-Balls waltzing off with the keys and the credit card.

The irony of UKIP-ers delivering us a left wing government and "ever closer union" would be delicious were it not so pig-headedly stupid (IMO of course).

Edited by Wombat3 on Wednesday 22 October 14:41

[Wombat3]

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

mrpurple said:

longblackcoat said:

Wombat3 said:

UKIP is still not the answer to resolving these problems for the very simple reason that it is highly unlikely to form a government any time soon.

Not true. If UKIP win the election, Lord Nige will personally come round and stop your dog barking at 3am.

I don't think they will either, in fact I know they won't...but they might just, if we are lucky, be in a position to influence whoever does. Why else do CMD, and you on his behalf, not just stick to ignoring them instead of exerting so much energy running round like headless chickens.

They might, but you'll feel pretty silly for the next 5 years if that gamble fails.

Why? And they're already having a large influence right now.

Simples. If Miliband wins, UIP's "influence" will be non existant

Not sure about that. If Miliband wins where are the voters that normally swing between Lab/Con going to go? He's currently in opposition so is likely more popular now than he will be when he's PM. They're pro-EU and will face the same issues when in government, the argument that Labour isn't working for the low paid will be strong. By-elections where Labour currently beats UKIP by 600 votes will fall to UKIP etc...

By-elections with 35% turnouts are hardly representative. The only thing you can derive from that is that at least 20% didn't turn out and its very unlikely that they are protest voters. Indeed their protest is not to vote, but that's as far as it goes. When it comes to a GE they will turn out & vote Labour as usual. We should bookmark that particular seat to watch in May. I suspect Labour will win it with a significantly larger majority than 600.

[deadslow]

why don't the kippers re-record their little calypso in a french accent and see if any pc do-gooders complain?

[NoNeed]

currybum said:

I know many people, most of them young (sub 40) professionals who would have normally voted Tory but would no longer touch them with a barge pole due to their threat of a referendum.

They may have persuaded a few old telegraphers to move back from ukip but they will have lost a lot of votes to labour and the Lib Dems.

In the most part the actual people in charge in government rarely make that much difference to daily lives despite what we like to think, except this time they are threatening to take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU…to me that’s unacceptable.

Why would you not be allowed to work in the EU? There are plenty of Brits working in countries all over this beautiful planet that aren't in the EU.

[mrpurple]

currybum said:

I know many people, most of them young (sub 40) professionals who would have normally voted Tory but would no longer touch them with a barge pole due to their threat of a referendum.

They may have persuaded a few old telegraphers to move back from ukip but they will have lost a lot of votes to labour and the Lib Dems.

In the most part the actual people in charge in government rarely make that much difference to daily lives despite what we like to think, except this time they are threatening to take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU…to me that’s unacceptable.

793 posts in 84 months yet every one of them deleted, or I can't find them anyway.... don't suppose you would like to explain?

[Esseesse]

NoNeed said:

currybum said:

I know many people, most of them young (sub 40) professionals who would have normally voted Tory but would no longer touch them with a barge pole due to their threat of a referendum.

They may have persuaded a few old telegraphers to move back from ukip but they will have lost a lot of votes to labour and the Lib Dems.

In the most part the actual people in charge in government rarely make that much difference to daily lives despite what we like to think, except this time they are threatening to take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU…to me that’s unacceptable.

Why would you not be allowed to work in the EU? There are plenty of Brits working in countries all over this beautiful planet that aren't in the EU.

Indeed. Do you know if there was the same 'free movement' as we have now for us to go to Holland in 1992? I suspect there was not as Schengen didn't come about until 1995.

[dandarez]

currybum said:

NoNeed said:

Why would you not be allowed to work in the EU? There are plenty of Brits working in countries all over this beautiful planet that aren't in the EU.

You sort of missed the key bit there.

ME said:

take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU

Yes you can go and work in other countries ( I have myself) but you do not usually have complete freedom to do so, you are constrained by visa restrictions, requirements, time limits and sometimes required to pay fairly hefty sums of money.

If we put restrictions on EU citizens coming here you can expect the same in return... how many of the 1 million pensioners lining in Spain will have to head back to live out the most expensive part of their lives here?

You silly b.....!
The majority will have 'residencia' ie: a permit of residence in that country, like my relatives.
They pay Spanish taxes, do you think Spain will kick them out and lose that contribution?

Unlike here where we give handouts like sweets.

[Wombat3]

Support for staying in the EU is growing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803377/Su...

[Cheese Mechanic]

If anyone has listened in to Radio 2 the past few mornings they will be familiar with the hatchet job that Vine and co are trying to carry out on UKIP. Its good to me, shows how frightened the main parties and the lefty BBC are of UKIP. Hugely amusing.

[Esseesse]

Wombat3 said:

Support for staying in the EU is growing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803377/Su...

Has anyone on here ever taken part in one of these polls?

[league67]

johnxjsc1985 said:

HonestIago said:

Indeed. UKIP could do virtually anything between now and May and I will still vote for them. I am sure I am far from alone in that sentiment!

I am with you on that one.
Westminster has to change and this is the only chance I have had to register a vote that says I don't trust any of the main 3 parties to do anything but serve themselves and make money for themselves.

You do realize that Dear Leader has made more than £2Mil out of EU for himself. As you seem to be a believer, I doubt that that concerns you, actually I'd be surprised if your position isn't 'well done on exposing the gravy train, even if you are still riding it, and have been for last 20 odd years.

I would imagine that the vast majority of 'kippers feels the same. Blind faith. Like homeopathy; 'conventional medicine doesn't, seem to work. Time to try 200c potion.'. Explaining to believe why it can't possibly work is impossible, if still a lot of fun.

[FiF]

Esseesse said:

Wombat3 said:

Support for staying in the EU is growing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2803377/Su...

Has anyone on here ever taken part in one of these polls?

Yes. I get paid for doing so.

That's not a comment in the same old joke to wind up noobs on PH that the old hands get paid to post here but yes get paid to do polls and surveys. Not much admittedly these days as too busy, but a few £25 Amazon vouchers and £10 Sainsburys voucher. Whiled away some quiet evenings in hotels etc.