UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
mrpurple said:
currybum said:
I know many people, most of them young (sub 40) professionals who would have normally voted Tory but would no longer touch them with a barge pole due to their threat of a referendum.
They may have persuaded a few old telegraphers to move back from ukip but they will have lost a lot of votes to labour and the Lib Dems.
In the most part the actual people in charge in government rarely make that much difference to daily lives despite what we like to think, except this time they are threatening to take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU…to me that’s unacceptable.
793 posts in 84 months yet every one of them deleted, or I can't find them anyway.... don't suppose you would like to explain?They may have persuaded a few old telegraphers to move back from ukip but they will have lost a lot of votes to labour and the Lib Dems.
In the most part the actual people in charge in government rarely make that much difference to daily lives despite what we like to think, except this time they are threatening to take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU…to me that’s unacceptable.
Cheese Mechanic said:
If anyone has listened in to Radio 2 the past few mornings they will be familiar with the hatchet job that Vine and co are trying to carry out on UKIP. Its good to me, shows how frightened the main parties and the lefty BBC are of UKIP. Hugely amusing.
Not a trick question, but why would you think that BBC would be afraid of UKIP? league67 said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
If anyone has listened in to Radio 2 the past few mornings they will be familiar with the hatchet job that Vine and co are trying to carry out on UKIP. Its good to me, shows how frightened the main parties and the lefty BBC are of UKIP. Hugely amusing.
Not a trick question, but why would you think that BBC would be afraid of UKIP? 
league67 said:
You do realize that Dear Leader has made more than £2Mil out of EU for himself. As you seem to be a believer, I doubt that that concerns you, actually I'd be surprised if your position isn't 'well done on exposing the gravy train, even if you are still riding it, and have been for last 20 odd years.
I would imagine that the vast majority of 'kippers feels the same. Blind faith. Like homeopathy; 'conventional medicine doesn't, seem to work. Time to try 200c potion.'. Explaining to believe why it can't possibly work is impossible, if still a lot of fun.
you just don't get it and throwing insults around isn't going to do much to change people's opinions about the problems with Westminster.I would imagine that the vast majority of 'kippers feels the same. Blind faith. Like homeopathy; 'conventional medicine doesn't, seem to work. Time to try 200c potion.'. Explaining to believe why it can't possibly work is impossible, if still a lot of fun.
Mojocvh said:
mrpurple said:
currybum said:
I know many people, most of them young (sub 40) professionals who would have normally voted Tory but would no longer touch them with a barge pole due to their threat of a referendum.
They may have persuaded a few old telegraphers to move back from ukip but they will have lost a lot of votes to labour and the Lib Dems.
In the most part the actual people in charge in government rarely make that much difference to daily lives despite what we like to think, except this time they are threatening to take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU…to me that’s unacceptable.
793 posts in 84 months yet every one of them deleted, or I can't find them anyway.... don't suppose you would like to explain?They may have persuaded a few old telegraphers to move back from ukip but they will have lost a lot of votes to labour and the Lib Dems.
In the most part the actual people in charge in government rarely make that much difference to daily lives despite what we like to think, except this time they are threatening to take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU…to me that’s unacceptable.
Esseesse said:
Wombat3 said:
Has anyone on here ever taken part in one of these polls?
Stopped last week by a pollster in the street, right next to the local Big Issue seller strangely, think it may have been Ipsos/Mori too and I listened intently to the initial spiel, but as soon as I indicated I was a Kipper it went like this 'thank you for your time'.
They're all scared s
tless is the truth. Wait and see.Esseesse said:
Paid EU troll?
For those not familiar with the EU's tactics...http://order-order.com/2014/02/27/eu-spends-2-mill...
Also IIRC there was a vote in the HOC in this parliament that the government passed to increase the budget for EU propaganda...
Esseesse said:
Esseesse said:
Paid EU troll?
For those not familiar with the EU's tactics...http://order-order.com/2014/02/27/eu-spends-2-mill...
Also IIRC there was a vote in the HOC in this parliament that the government passed to increase the budget for EU propaganda...
14th Jan 2014: In the Union (Approvals) Bill the Government at the behest of the EU asked Parliament to approve the funding of the Europe for Citizens programme obliging taxpayers to fund propaganda promoting political union with Europe.
My Conservative MP Richard Fuller voted Aye. Won't be voting for him again...
johnxjsc1985 said:
league67 said:
You do realize that Dear Leader has made more than £2Mil out of EU for himself. As you seem to be a believer, I doubt that that concerns you, actually I'd be surprised if your position isn't 'well done on exposing the gravy train, even if you are still riding it, and have been for last 20 odd years.
I would imagine that the vast majority of 'kippers feels the same. Blind faith. Like homeopathy; 'conventional medicine doesn't, seem to work. Time to try 200c potion.'. Explaining to believe why it can't possibly work is impossible, if still a lot of fun.
you just don't get it and throwing insults around isn't going to do much to change people's opinions about the problems with Westminster.I would imagine that the vast majority of 'kippers feels the same. Blind faith. Like homeopathy; 'conventional medicine doesn't, seem to work. Time to try 200c potion.'. Explaining to believe why it can't possibly work is impossible, if still a lot of fun.
I'm at loss at what 'insults' are you talking about? Why on earth do you think that I'd want to change anyone's opinion? To me, everyone on PH is random set of pixels. Nothing more. It's light entertainment.
For example; there are apparently people who actually go and browse through people's posting history. Digital dumpster divers, if you will.
Esseesse said:
NoNeed said:
currybum said:
I know many people, most of them young (sub 40) professionals who would have normally voted Tory but would no longer touch them with a barge pole due to their threat of a referendum.
They may have persuaded a few old telegraphers to move back from ukip but they will have lost a lot of votes to labour and the Lib Dems.
In the most part the actual people in charge in government rarely make that much difference to daily lives despite what we like to think, except this time they are threatening to take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU…to me that’s unacceptable.
Why would you not be allowed to work in the EU? There are plenty of Brits working in countries all over this beautiful planet that aren't in the EU.They may have persuaded a few old telegraphers to move back from ukip but they will have lost a lot of votes to labour and the Lib Dems.
In the most part the actual people in charge in government rarely make that much difference to daily lives despite what we like to think, except this time they are threatening to take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU…to me that’s unacceptable.
JF87 said:
Why on earth would any "lefty" by "st-scared of UKIP"?
Along with the No vote in Scotland, the UKIP phenomenon looks very likely to guarantee a Labour government the next time around.
It's all 'MSM' war on UKIP as they are palls with everyone else. It's conspiracy. And contrails. But once the 'honest' people see through the lies and UKIP gets into power the order and factual reporting will be restored. t-scared of UKIP"? Along with the No vote in Scotland, the UKIP phenomenon looks very likely to guarantee a Labour government the next time around.
Esseesse said:
Here we go... http://www.brugesgroup.com/mpwatch/index.live?mp=0...
14th Jan 2014: In the Union (Approvals) Bill the Government at the behest of the EU asked Parliament to approve the funding of the Europe for Citizens programme obliging taxpayers to fund propaganda promoting political union with Europe.
My Conservative MP Richard Fuller voted Aye. Won't be voting for him again...
Delighted to see that my MP (Stewart Jackson) voted against. Such a use of tax payers money is morally questionable and easily viewed as totallitarian. 14th Jan 2014: In the Union (Approvals) Bill the Government at the behest of the EU asked Parliament to approve the funding of the Europe for Citizens programme obliging taxpayers to fund propaganda promoting political union with Europe.
My Conservative MP Richard Fuller voted Aye. Won't be voting for him again...
Jackson has been a good constituency MP, so he will get my vote, hopefully, in time, he will decamp to UKIP.
NoNeed said:
Esseesse said:
Indeed. Do you know if there was the same 'free movement' as we have now for us to go to Holland in 1992? I suspect there was not as Schengen didn't come about until 1995.
Are you suggesting that Brits could not move to Holland and work there in 1992?The Uk has an opt out from Shengen so an EU citizen can work in the UK but needs to present an passport or ID to enter.
NoNeed said:
Esseesse said:
NoNeed said:
currybum said:
I know many people, most of them young (sub 40) professionals who would have normally voted Tory but would no longer touch them with a barge pole due to their threat of a referendum.
They may have persuaded a few old telegraphers to move back from ukip but they will have lost a lot of votes to labour and the Lib Dems.
In the most part the actual people in charge in government rarely make that much difference to daily lives despite what we like to think, except this time they are threatening to take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU…to me that’s unacceptable.
Why would you not be allowed to work in the EU? There are plenty of Brits working in countries all over this beautiful planet that aren't in the EU.They may have persuaded a few old telegraphers to move back from ukip but they will have lost a lot of votes to labour and the Lib Dems.
In the most part the actual people in charge in government rarely make that much difference to daily lives despite what we like to think, except this time they are threatening to take away my complete freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU…to me that’s unacceptable.
My dad did have to attend 6 months of intensive dutch lessons when we got there though and rightly so IMO. I don't know if that was work or national policy, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't happen any more either way though!
Scuffers said:
as usual, fingers is having finger trouble.
in 15 minutes looking, I cannot find a single reference to Robert Iwaszkiewicz even mentioning the Holokaust.
what I do find is 100's of references trying to link him with such - best I can get is that the party leader of the KNP at some point made a comment (although I have not managed to find a direct link or quote of this either)
nice to see everybody g on a character assassination over something the guy appears not to have said?
unless the fingered one can come up with a solid link/quote?
I give 3 links -- click on them. Easy peasy. in 15 minutes looking, I cannot find a single reference to Robert Iwaszkiewicz even mentioning the Holokaust.
what I do find is 100's of references trying to link him with such - best I can get is that the party leader of the KNP at some point made a comment (although I have not managed to find a direct link or quote of this either)
nice to see everybody g on a character assassination over something the guy appears not to have said?
unless the fingered one can come up with a solid link/quote?
This isn't character assassination -- it's how to use your mouse 101.
And I note that you still have to learn how to post links (still, if you can't even follow them, what can we expect).
dandarez said:
You silly b.....!
The majority will have 'residencia' ie: a permit of residence in that country, like my relatives.
They pay Spanish taxes, do you think Spain will kick them out and lose that contribution?
Unlike here where we give handouts like sweets.
No you are the silly b...........!The majority will have 'residencia' ie: a permit of residence in that country, like my relatives.
They pay Spanish taxes, do you think Spain will kick them out and lose that contribution?
Unlike here where we give handouts like sweets.
The residencia certificate held by your parents was likely issued because they are EU citizens. The Spanish Government could force them to give it up.
If your parents are over UK retirement age at the moment under EU provisions they get access to Spanish health care. Leave the EU and they may lose this.
Further my understanding is many pensioners in Spain only declare the UK state pension for Spanish tax not any private pensions paid from the UK because of high Spanish tax rates, So tax take is minimal compared to cost of health care.
Many Spanish would love to have a chance to rid them selves of the Brits.
Mrr T said:
No you are the silly b...........!
The residencia certificate held by your parents was likely issued because they are EU citizens. The Spanish Government could force them to give it up.
If your parents are over UK retirement age at the moment under EU provisions they get access to Spanish health care. Leave the EU and they may lose this.
Further my understanding is many pensioners in Spain only declare the UK state pension for Spanish tax not any private pensions paid from the UK because of high Spanish tax rates, So tax take is minimal compared to cost of health care.
Many Spanish would love to have a chance to rid them selves of the Brits.
Do you think this is a downside of leaving the EU? Personally I think the Spanish should be free to govern themselves as they see fit (too).The residencia certificate held by your parents was likely issued because they are EU citizens. The Spanish Government could force them to give it up.
If your parents are over UK retirement age at the moment under EU provisions they get access to Spanish health care. Leave the EU and they may lose this.
Further my understanding is many pensioners in Spain only declare the UK state pension for Spanish tax not any private pensions paid from the UK because of high Spanish tax rates, So tax take is minimal compared to cost of health care.
Many Spanish would love to have a chance to rid them selves of the Brits.
Mrr T said:
NoNeed said:
Esseesse said:
Indeed. Do you know if there was the same 'free movement' as we have now for us to go to Holland in 1992? I suspect there was not as Schengen didn't come about until 1995.
Are you suggesting that Brits could not move to Holland and work there in 1992?The Uk has an opt out from Shengen so an EU citizen can work in the UK but needs to present an passport or ID to enter.
Mrr T said:
If your parents are over UK retirement age at the moment under EU provisions they get access to Spanish health care. Leave the EU and they may lose this.
Not sure if its specifically EU related. Non EU residents get health care in Spain. The crucial point is if you are a resident.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff