UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
Guam said:
Do the words initial offer, or letter of intent mean anything to you, one has to set parameters for the deal prior to entering into negotiations, unless the outline proposal is accepted as the premise of the negotiations what are you going to negotiate.
If the other party basically says get stuffed there can be no negotiation as that will be illegal and therefore outside of our remit then you cant negotiate anything. Unless you hold a negotiation to establish what you are going to negotiate.
Most corporate deals are agreed in broad principle (concept) before the parties waste their time in sitting around a table to negotiate, if anyone doesn't know that then they haven't done any major deal making imho.
Put more simply "are you interested in selling your business"? Straight no means no negotiation
Plenty of deals fail because the parties cannot agree major terms, even after signing initial heads of terms.If the other party basically says get stuffed there can be no negotiation as that will be illegal and therefore outside of our remit then you cant negotiate anything. Unless you hold a negotiation to establish what you are going to negotiate.
Most corporate deals are agreed in broad principle (concept) before the parties waste their time in sitting around a table to negotiate, if anyone doesn't know that then they haven't done any major deal making imho.
Put more simply "are you interested in selling your business"? Straight no means no negotiation
Guam said:
Wombat3 said:
No, YOU don't believe it, but then that's your prerogative (though some may argue it suits a narrow view ).
Not just me I am afraid Wombat, if it was just me then there would be nothing to discuss now would there, whilst I may be in a minority , I equally well may not be, the recent poll results suggest that the views I have on some of these issues are shared by a good number of folk.Poll posted yesterday suggests you are indeed in a minority in terms of not even wanting to try & negotiate with the EU.
Ukip's polarising effect: support for staying in the EU hits 23-year high
A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
Guam said:
Zod said:
Plenty of deals fail because the parties cannot agree major terms, even after signing initial heads of terms.
Not usually if both parties have been clear on expectations at the initial discussion, in my experience failure results because one party or the other always held an unreasonable view and didn't declare it (like putting a price forward the other side can live with, subject to due diligence of course), if they have got the key and essential principles agreed, then the minutiae shouldn't prove a deal breaker, if it does then in my experience the thing was never truly serious and one party or the other was looking for an out.As you are aware not all agendas are always on the table in such circumstances
JBF50 said:
Ukip's polarising effect: support for staying in the EU hits 23-year high
A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
The referendum won't happen if Miliband is PM.A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
Mr_B said:
Zod said:
Mr_B said:
Zod said:
brenflys777 said:
Outgoing Baroso says no change.
Incoming Juncker says.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29731120
Nil points Dave.
Have you ever negotiated a corporate deal? or a litigation settlement? Do you think that before sitting down to negotiate the parties say that they are going to make concessions?Incoming Juncker says.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29731120
Nil points Dave.
This is meaningless posturing on both sides.
It was odd to hear both Labour and Tory taking that exact line yesterday claiming those types of changes would lead to a form of control and reduction in numbers. I found it most odd as both Labour and Tory claimed those factors had no such bearing on immigration and Ukip were nasty racists to suggest as such not so long ago. How things change eh ?
Zod said:
JBF50 said:
Ukip's polarising effect: support for staying in the EU hits 23-year high
A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
The referendum won't happen if Miliband is PM.A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
Esseesse said:
Zod said:
JBF50 said:
Ukip's polarising effect: support for staying in the EU hits 23-year high
A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
The referendum won't happen if Miliband is PM.A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Esseesse said:
Zod said:
JBF50 said:
Ukip's polarising effect: support for staying in the EU hits 23-year high
A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
The referendum won't happen if Miliband is PM.A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
Esseesse said:
The EU want another £1Bn from us... http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/526193/EU-politic...
I have an odd feeling the The Express will support UKIP come next years election.Wombat3 said:
No we just need a referendum.
Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Exactly, lets have a referendum and put this ridiculous UKIP mob to sleep for good, they are just The National Front in disguise. Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Wombat3 said:
Esseesse said:
Zod said:
JBF50 said:
Ukip's polarising effect: support for staying in the EU hits 23-year high
A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
The referendum won't happen if Miliband is PM.A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Edit: I'll paraphrase Fif from previously who put it better than I would have...
Your comment is cynical manipulation of my comment to make a snide remark. My personal preference is for result X, if timing A made that result more likely then I would prefer that to timing B. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
Edited by Esseesse on Thursday 23 October 11:52
JBF50 said:
Ukip's polarising effect: support for staying in the EU hits 23-year high
A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
It looks as if the 56% figure only applies if we got major concessions. Without major changes, it seems that only 38% would stay in.A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
Morningside said:
Esseesse said:
The EU want another £1Bn from us... http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/526193/EU-politic...
I have an odd feeling the The Express will support UKIP come next years election.Express averages about 480K
Mail is 1.7M
Over 1/3 of the Express's readership is also nearly dead anyway!
15-24 25-34 35-44 45-54 55-64 65+
GB (%) 15 19 18 16 13 19
DE (%) 9 11 15 18 16 31
Source: MORI aggregates 2004. Base: c10,000 interviews with GB residents 15+
(i.e. figures 10 years old & as we all well know, the younger generation doesn't buy newspapers anyway - its all on the Web)
Edited by Wombat3 on Thursday 23 October 12:06
Guam said:
Zod said:
Oh, I'll bow to your greater experience of corporate transactions.
You cant resist can you, always a sideways swipe when we disagree, my view differs from yours based on my experiences is all, rather like Park lane. JBF50 said:
Wombat3 said:
No we just need a referendum.
Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Exactly, lets have a referendum and put this ridiculous UKIP mob to sleep for good, they are just The National Front in disguise. Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Guam said:
Wombat3 said:
'nuff said.
Poll posted yesterday suggests you are indeed in a minority in terms of not even wanting to try & negotiate with the EU.
You love to make stuff up don't you, I never said I didn't want negotiation, I have maintained it is pointless and there is no point in going through a fruitless endeavor, try and cite me correctly if you would. I base my view on the public posturing of the EU itself, what do you base your view on "Faith"?Poll posted yesterday suggests you are indeed in a minority in terms of not even wanting to try & negotiate with the EU.
"Pointless" ergo no point in doing it?
Most people tend to want to avoid doing things when they think its pointless - or does that not apply to you in this case?
Wombat3 said:
JBF50 said:
Wombat3 said:
No we just need a referendum.
Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Exactly, lets have a referendum and put this ridiculous UKIP mob to sleep for good, they are just The National Front in disguise. Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
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