UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
FiF said:
Love the comments on this in the Guardian.
One points out that this calculation is based on including hidden economy like drug dealing and prostitution.
So the French hookers are doing worse than ours.
Not quite sure who is being f***ed where and by whom.
Don't panic....... Sir Call Me Dave will ride up on his white horse and get it all renegotiated.One points out that this calculation is based on including hidden economy like drug dealing and prostitution.
So the French hookers are doing worse than ours.
Not quite sure who is being f***ed where and by whom.
it looks like heing a cause for 
WinstonWolf said:
Puggit said:
Apparently this demand is based on historical figures showing improvement in our economy.
Time for Cameron to show his true colours. Either he fights (and denies them the money) or he's a puppet. Are we even going to open a book on this...?
If he caves on this one he's history...Time for Cameron to show his true colours. Either he fights (and denies them the money) or he's a puppet. Are we even going to open a book on this...?
If it's not 100% Cameron will puff his chest out and claim a huge victory, even if it's only a 5% saving.
Meanwhile a major part of the electorate have been thinking "if you pay even1% of this you're a useless knobgina"
Grant Shapps will appear on TV with the latest Cons message "well we do have money paid to the EU because they have fiddled the books going back more years than even HMRC can go back, but the clear message this sends is vote Farage get Miliband." Taps BlackBerry , nope still not updated from CCHQ.
FiF said:
WinstonWolf said:
Puggit said:
Apparently this demand is based on historical figures showing improvement in our economy.
Time for Cameron to show his true colours. Either he fights (and denies them the money) or he's a puppet. Are we even going to open a book on this...?
If he caves on this one he's history...Time for Cameron to show his true colours. Either he fights (and denies them the money) or he's a puppet. Are we even going to open a book on this...?
If it's not 100% Cameron will puff his chest out and claim a huge victory, even if it's only a 5% saving.
Meanwhile a major part of the electorate have been thinking "if you pay even1% of this you're a useless knobgina"
Grant Shapps will appear on TV with the latest Cons message "well we do have money paid to the EU because they have fiddled the books going back more years than even HMRC can go back, but the clear message this sends is vote Farage get Miliband." Taps BlackBerry , nope still not updated from CCHQ.
What's not to like!
The EU has now agreed a 'landmark deal', to cut CO2 emissions by 40% by 2030 - and, because the UK is doing OK, they want to take almost £2 Billion of UK tax payer's money to help prop up other EU country's failed social experiments a little while longer!
What a bargain we get!
The EU has now agreed a 'landmark deal', to cut CO2 emissions by 40% by 2030 - and, because the UK is doing OK, they want to take almost £2 Billion of UK tax payer's money to help prop up other EU country's failed social experiments a little while longer!
What a bargain we get!
Edited by chris watton on Friday 24th October 10:21
There is a lot of antagonism towards UKIP from people in the conservatives and Labour who actually share the same priorities as UKIP, maybe now is the time to re-consider.
The EU and Cameron seem a spent force. The best Cameron can do is say Milliband would be worse.
So, now would seem an ideal time for people who support the aims of UKIP but don't want red/blue to come over to UKIP and help fix the issues with professionalism and depth from within. It's not too late to help shape UKIP but the EU and Cameron seem to be cast.
The EU and Cameron seem a spent force. The best Cameron can do is say Milliband would be worse.
So, now would seem an ideal time for people who support the aims of UKIP but don't want red/blue to come over to UKIP and help fix the issues with professionalism and depth from within. It's not too late to help shape UKIP but the EU and Cameron seem to be cast.
Seeing as the country is divided, the parties are divided, there's a group of condescending arses, much like Parris, though not sure if he is one of them, who are calling for a metropolitan party.
We see this all the time on here, typified by the London is ace, the rest is a post industrial dump / bucolic backwater sneering.
Metropolitan FRO.
We see this all the time on here, typified by the London is ace, the rest is a post industrial dump / bucolic backwater sneering.
Metropolitan FRO.
Guam said:
WinstonWolf said:
If he caves on this one he's history...
He will Always have Zod and Wombat though, he really really means what he says dontcha know 
Once we know that then we can see the risks and effects of telling them to get stuffed - or not.
They may just take the money anyway in the short time by netting it off against payments due back to us. We will see.
Their timing is impeccable though
Wombat3 said:
Guam said:
WinstonWolf said:
If he caves on this one he's history...
He will Always have Zod and Wombat though, he really really means what he says dontcha know Once we know that then we can see the risks and effects of telling them to get stuffed - or not.
They may just take the money anyway in the short time by netting it off against payments due back to us. We will see.
Their timing is impeccable though
WinstonWolf said:
Wombat3 said:
Guam said:
WinstonWolf said:
If he caves on this one he's history...
He will Always have Zod and Wombat though, he really really means what he says dontcha know Once we know that then we can see the risks and effects of telling them to get stuffed - or not.
They may just take the money anyway in the short time by netting it off against payments due back to us. We will see.
Their timing is impeccable though
Guam said:
Wombat3 said:
This demand for extra cash is ridiculous, however, what I'd like to understand is by what mechanism did it come about? What's the legal status of this? How did we get signed up to it & who signed us up to it?
Once we know that then we can see the risks and effects of telling them to get stuffed - or not.
They may just take the money anyway in the short time by netting it off against payments due back to us. We will see.
Their timing is impeccable though
All Smoke and mirrors Wombat, how about NON! not paying it so what will you do now Mr EU?Once we know that then we can see the risks and effects of telling them to get stuffed - or not.
They may just take the money anyway in the short time by netting it off against payments due back to us. We will see.
Their timing is impeccable though
But I would think there is all sorts of stuff they can do that would cause us short and medium term problems and that is what we need to evaluate. Never been in favour of stepping off a cliff & hoping my rucksack has a parachute in it.
We do not have to tell them "non" today - we can spend a while "examining the proposal" till it suits us to deal with it.
Wombat3 said:
Absolutely, but a cynic might suggest they are even cleverer than that - if they buy into the theory that a rise in the UKIP vote will deliver us a Labour Gov't which will then be much more pro-EU, it serves their cause very well to feed Euro-scepticism for a few months....
That makes a lot more sense: the EU wants Britain in, not out. It's interests are not in strengthening Cameron or even Farage's position domestically. They are in strengthening Miliband's. There's zero chance that the EU has done this, especially with this timing, in order to bolster anti-EU feeling in the UK - that's completely backwards. If so, it's a potentially dangerous hand to play, because if the notion that the EU was acting with the intention of deliberately trying to interfere in UK domestic politics, their gambit could backfire massively.
Greg66 said:
Wombat3 said:
Absolutely, but a cynic might suggest they are even cleverer than that - if they buy into the theory that a rise in the UKIP vote will deliver us a Labour Gov't which will then be much more pro-EU, it serves their cause very well to feed Euro-scepticism for a few months....
That makes a lot more sense: the EU wants Britain in, not out. It's interests are not in strengthening Cameron or even Farage's position domestically. They are in strengthening Miliband's. There's zero chance that the EU has done this, especially with this timing, in order to bolster anti-EU feeling in the UK - that's completely backwards. If so, it's a potentially dangerous hand to play, because if the notion that the EU was acting with the intention of deliberately trying to interfere in UK domestic politics, their gambit could backfire massively.
That must be about as close to "interfering in UK politics" as it comes.
Its still much more likely to deliver us Milband than anything else though.
PRTVR said:
NicD said:
Its OK, its going to help the poor French, apparently.
And Germany, we all now how bad things are in Germany don't we.
It just goes to show how well our PM is doing in negotiations.
WinstonWolf said:
Puggit said:
Apparently this demand is based on historical figures showing improvement in our economy.
Time for Cameron to show his true colours. Either he fights (and denies them the money) or he's a puppet. Are we even going to open a book on this...?
If he caves on this one he's history...Time for Cameron to show his true colours. Either he fights (and denies them the money) or he's a puppet. Are we even going to open a book on this...?
Wombat3 said:
Guam said:
WinstonWolf said:
If he caves on this one he's history...
He will Always have Zod and Wombat though, he really really means what he says dontcha know Once we know that then we can see the risks and effects of telling them to get stuffed - or not.
They may just take the money anyway in the short time by netting it off against payments due back to us. We will see.
Their timing is impeccable though
Wombat3 said:
Indeed so & I did wonder about that with reference to Barosso's visit and comments last week (+Juncker's recent comments).
That must be about as close to "interfering in UK politics" as it comes.
Its still much more likely to deliver us Milband than anything else though.
Just a pity more important things like gay marriage took up all of parliments timeThat must be about as close to "interfering in UK politics" as it comes.
Its still much more likely to deliver us Milband than anything else though.
Otherwise he could of had a vote on delivering a referendum on the same day as the election
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