UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[Wombat3]

Zod said:

Wombat3 said:

Guam said:

WinstonWolf said:

If he caves on this one he's history...

He will Always have Zod and Wombat though, he really really means what he says dontcha know

This demand for extra cash is ridiculous, however, what I'd like to understand is by what mechanism did it come about? What's the legal status of this? How did we get signed up to it & who signed us up to it?

Once we know that then we can see the risks and effects of telling them to get stuffed - or not.

They may just take the money anyway in the short time by netting it off against payments due back to us. We will see.

Their timing is impeccable though

I think we're beyond looking at the legal status of the demand. The answer has to be a straight no.

Time for level heads & evaluation before jumping up & down with steam coming out yr ears (IMO).

[Wombat3]

Guam said:

Wombat3 said:

Exactly, what can they do & what will they do? I don't know, do you?

But I would think there is all sorts of stuff they can do that would cause us short and medium term problems and that is what we need to evaluate. Never been in favour of stepping off a cliff & hoping my rucksack has a parachute in it.

We do not have to tell them "non" today - we can spend a while "examining the proposal" till it suits us to deal with it.

Cop out sorry, who cares what they think they can do, its time to flush this nonsense out once and for all, sometimes in life you have to say stuff the consequences this is a matter of principle.

If Dave is serious about turning the UKIP tide he has to show some spine, something that he has been lacking in demonstrating thus far. What would Maggie or De Gaulle have done in similar types of circumstances? I think everyone knows the answer to that, perhaps he needs to speak to Maggie's Relatives and borrow one of her handbags.

Only an idiot would respond to this without first evaluating the implications of the response.

[Wombat3]

McWigglebum4th said:

Wombat3 said:

Indeed so & I did wonder about that with reference to Barosso's visit and comments last week (+Juncker's recent comments).

That must be about as close to "interfering in UK politics" as it comes.

Its still much more likely to deliver us Milband than anything else though.

Just a pity more important things like gay marriage took up all of parliments time

Otherwise he could of had a vote on delivering a referendum on the same day as the election

They did, it was squashed in the Lords - sort your memory out

[mrpurple]

Guam said:

mrpurple said:

To be fair they may have set CMD up like a kipper and there may be nothing he can do about it.

There is everything he can do starting with saying DO one, that will then plunge the whole mess into crisis, the french economy is in the crapper due to their huge Tax and spend issues, for us to be subsidising that in essence, is laughable.

This is why so many want out, we seem incapable of standing up to them (aware of some choir preaching here so not aimed at you).

The reality is the Elites cannot sit on their hands this time.

I've cut my nose to spite my face on more than one occasion if it means sticking by my principles so, easy to say I know, I would tell them to go forth and multiply and do their worse.

But I can't help wondering whether that is exactly what they want, in fact have engineered.... would it all change if Labour say "this is a step too far" and announce that they will have offer a referendum as well?..... but somehow I can't see that happening.

[McWigglebum4th]

Wombat3 said:

Time for level heads & evaluation before jumping up & down with steam coming out yr ears (IMO).

So maybe a time to stop running around with your pants on fire screaming

Vote UKIP get labour

[jshell]

mrpurple said:

To be fair they may have set CMD up like a kipper and there may be nothing he can do about it.

Waaaat? People on here say he's such a clever and insightful PM!

[dandarez]

WinstonWolf said:

Puggit said:

Apparently this demand is based on historical figures showing improvement in our economy.

Time for Cameron to show his true colours. Either he fights (and denies them the money) or he's a puppet. Are we even going to open a book on this...?

If he caves on this one he's history...

He could be history after Rochester.

WHO can stop the Kipper train?

[Zod]

dandarez said:

WinstonWolf said:

Puggit said:

Apparently this demand is based on historical figures showing improvement in our economy.

Time for Cameron to show his true colours. Either he fights (and denies them the money) or he's a puppet. Are we even going to open a book on this...?

If he caves on this one he's history...

He could be history after Rochester.

WHO can stop the Kipper train?

Miliband.

[BlackLabel]

Farage on the Daily Politics right now - he looks like Xmas has come early! I hope UKIP have not done what the Tories have in Rochester/Strood and spent all their by-election money because I think whoever prints UKIP's campaign material will be quite busy over the weekend.

[don4l]

Zod said:

dandarez said:

WinstonWolf said:

Puggit said:

Apparently this demand is based on historical figures showing improvement in our economy.

Time for Cameron to show his true colours. Either he fights (and denies them the money) or he's a puppet. Are we even going to open a book on this...?

If he caves on this one he's history...

He could be history after Rochester.

WHO can stop the Kipper train?

Miliband.

Well, is that such a big problem?

As we have seen this morning, you can safely elect a socialist government, who will bankrupt the country, and the other EU countries will bail you out.

What's not to like?

[Zod]

Guam said:

Zod said:

Miliband.

In his dreams, enough issues leading up to the GE in "safe seats" and he will be toast as well imho.

I'd love to know how you expect the election to turn out.

[Wombat3]

Guam said:

Wombat3 said:

Only an idiot would respond to this without first evaluating the implications of the response.

Only an idiot would pay a retrospective tax that has no constitutional basis in their society.

(see how easy that was).

Shall we go back to being civil now?

I don't know the details but it would seem likely that EU law (to which the UK Gov't is subject) will cover this - doncha think?

[Wombat3]

don4l said:

Zod said:

dandarez said:

WinstonWolf said:

Puggit said:

Apparently this demand is based on historical figures showing improvement in our economy.

Time for Cameron to show his true colours. Either he fights (and denies them the money) or he's a puppet. Are we even going to open a book on this...?

If he caves on this one he's history...

He could be history after Rochester.

WHO can stop the Kipper train?

Miliband.

Well, is that such a big problem?

As we have seen this morning, you can safely elect a socialist government, who will bankrupt the country, and the other EU countries will bail you out.

What's not to like?

Well indeed, but its only a couple of billion (and at the last count you were still looking down the back of the sofa for about £77Bn for your plan to kill off the UK deficit in one go IIRC )

[jogon]

dandarez said:

He could be history after Rochester.

WHO can stop the Kipper train?

The Open Primary that turned out be not so open but more women only and chosen in secret..

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/...

Conservative really are doing there best to stoke the furnace.

[Esseesse]

Zod said:

Guam said:

Zod said:

Miliband.

In his dreams, enough issues leading up to the GE in "safe seats" and he will be toast as well imho.

I'd love to know how you expect the election to turn out.

Labour may well win, in fact I'm sure they're in with the best chance of an outright win. I'd love to know why you think we should care. The UKIP train will continue to gather speed. Missing out on Dave's sham referendum (which incidentally was never going to happen because they were never going to win a majority even without the UKIP factor, and Dave knows that) is no big deal, in fact it may be a blessing in disguise as we're more likely to get a fair referendum (or just leave) later. I don't see why you think a Labour majority would put the EU question to bed!

[Zod]

It would put it to bed for at least five years. Meanwhile Miliband's government would do everything in its power to embed us more deeply into the EU.

Personally, I don't want to spend the next five years paying much higher taxes.

[McWigglebum4th]

Zod said:

It would put it to bed for at least five years. Meanwhile Miliband's government would do everything in its power to embed us more deeply into the EU.

Personally, I don't want to spend the next five years paying much higher taxes.

I can think of 1.7 billion reasons why you will be paying higher taxes

[Esseesse]

Zod said:

It would put it to bed for at least five years. Meanwhile Miliband's government would do everything in its power to embed us more deeply into the EU.

Personally, I don't want to spend the next five years paying much higher taxes.

The Tory's/Coalition have done everything they can to embed us more deeply into the EU, no different.

[BlackLabel]

A recent Dods Polling survey:

"We asked a representative cross-section of 100 MPs about Ukip’s chances in 2015, and the response suggests talk of petrified Members running scared of the purple army is pretty wide of the mark. Just 5% of MPs think Ukip will pick up more than five seats, while more than two thirds believe Farage’s party will pick up just two or fewer.

Interestingly, this confidence appears to be even stronger among Tory MPs; only 3% of them think Ukip will pick up more than five seats at the election, and more than three quarters (76%) believe Ukip will pick up two seats or fewer. In fact, close to 40% believe the party will pick up no seats whatsoever.

The overwhelming majority of MPs appear to believe that far from being the start of a revolution which will spread across Kent and Essex and up the eastern coast, Ukip’s victory in Clacton will turn out to be an anomaly which can be contained locally after all. "



http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/107021/the_...

[anonymous-user]

dandarez said:

He could be history after Rochester.

WHO can stop the Kipper train?

This "Kipper train" - in your mind how does it play out?

Eg: a by-election defeat leads to Cameron's immediate resignation, the Conservatives are thrown into disarray, defections to UKIP increase 50-fold; Farage completes a reverse takeover of the right of the political spectrum; UKIP as the sole right wing party surviving next May sticks it to Labour winning a landslide Parliamentary majority off the back of common sense and straight talkin'?

Because a long way detached from this reality.

The "Kipper train" right now is less like this:



and more like one man short of this: