UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

Well, is that such a big problem?

As we have seen this morning, you can safely elect a socialist government, who will bankrupt the country, and the other EU countries will bail you out.

What's not to like?

It's difficult to argue with "logic" like this.

[Zod]

McWigglebum4th said:

Zod said:

It would put it to bed for at least five years. Meanwhile Miliband's government would do everything in its power to embed us more deeply into the EU.

Personally, I don't want to spend the next five years paying much higher taxes.

I can think of 1.7 billion reasons why you will be paying higher taxes

That is a tiny amount, but an important one in principle. Miliband would tax my (mortgaged) home, put my income tax back up to 50%, remove tax relief on my pension and no doubt find plenty of other ways to make me poorer. He would certainly not resist this £1.7bn payment.

[Scuffers]

[Zod]

Esseesse said:

Zod said:

It would put it to bed for at least five years. Meanwhile Miliband's government would do everything in its power to embed us more deeply into the EU.

Personally, I don't want to spend the next five years paying much higher taxes.

The Tory's/Coalition have done everything they can to embed us more deeply into the EU, no different.

Really? What have they done?

[WinstonWolf]

Guam said:

BlackLabel said:

A recent Dods Polling survey:

"We asked a representative cross-section of 100 MPs about Ukip’s chances in 2015, and the response suggests talk of petrified Members running scared of the purple army is pretty wide of the mark. Just 5% of MPs think Ukip will pick up more than five seats, while more than two thirds believe Farage’s party will pick up just two or fewer.

Interestingly, this confidence appears to be even stronger among Tory MPs; only 3% of them think Ukip will pick up more than five seats at the election, and more than three quarters (76%) believe Ukip will pick up two seats or fewer. In fact, close to 40% believe the party will pick up no seats whatsoever.

The overwhelming majority of MPs appear to believe that far from being the start of a revolution which will spread across Kent and Essex and up the eastern coast, Ukip’s victory in Clacton will turn out to be an anomaly which can be contained locally after all. "



http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/107021/the_...

Interesting times we live in indeed

I am sure they are correct and everything will be fine

Indeed, because we all know politicians are exceptionally good at judging what the voting public will do.

[steveT350C]

WinstonWolf said:

Indeed, because we all know politicians are exceptionally good at judging what the voting public will do.

and of course they always tell us what they really think

[johnxjsc1985]

steveT350C said:

WinstonWolf said:

Indeed, because we all know politicians are exceptionally good at judging what the voting public will do.

and of course they always tell us what they really think

and if you don't vote for the status quo you must be some kind of nutter.

[FiF]

Meanwhile Steve Fisher's latest forecast is Cons 298 seats Lab 295 seats.



http://electionsetc.com/2014/10/24/forecast-update...

[chris watton]

johnxjsc1985 said:

steveT350C said:

WinstonWolf said:

Indeed, because we all know politicians are exceptionally good at judging what the voting public will do.

and of course they always tell us what they really think

and if you don't vote for the status quo you must be some kind of nutter.

Weird, isn't it - years ago, it was the norm for normal people to be distrustful of the establishment, and took what they were told by the establishment with a huge dose of salt.

Now, the opposite seems to be true - if you don't trust/believe in the establishment now, you're treated as a social leper and name-called very single word ending in 'ism' or 'phobe' under the sun - all because you're not perceived as a Kool-Aid rotten establishment follower!

All quite sad, really.

[johnxjsc1985]

chris watton said:

Weird, isn't it - years ago, it was the norm for normal people to be distrustful of the establishment, and took what they were told by the establishment with a huge dose of salt.

Now, the opposite seems to be true - if you don't trust/believe in the establishment now, you're treated as a social leper and name-called very single word ending in 'ism' or 'phobe' under the sun - all because you're not perceived as a Kool-Aid rotten establishment follower!

All quite sad, really.

but at la.st we can take our revenge next May and I will be there at 7.0am to make my vote count

[jogon]

Conservative candidate for Rochester and Strood is an Anti-Israel activist and supports Hamas..

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/124677/anti-isra...

[Einion Yrth]

jogon said:

Conservative candidate for Rochester and Strood is an Anti-Israel activist and supports Hamas..

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/124677/anti-isra...

If she were the UKIP candidate this thread would explode. I expect we'll be seeing tumbleweed around these parts however.

[Scuffers]

whilst we are talking of the by-election...

Anybody want to comment on the Tory overspend argument?

Looks pretty clear-cut to me, but what do others think?

If they do get adjudged to have broken the limits, what happens?

[chris watton]

Einion Yrth said:

jogon said:

Conservative candidate for Rochester and Strood is an Anti-Israel activist and supports Hamas..

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/124677/anti-isra...

If she were the UKIP candidate this thread would explode. I expect we'll be seeing tumbleweed around these parts however.

I think that pretend selective outrage is the in-thing, these days. Look how the left pretend to be 'outraged' by what Lord Freud said about people who are disabled, yet there appears to be not a peep about Rotherham and other like-scandals.

[Wombat3]

Guam said:

Esseesse said:

The Tory's/Coalition have done everything they can to embed us more deeply into the EU, no different.

Indeed and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous at the least

Any examples of this skulduggery?

[BlackLabel]

jogon said:

Conservative candidate for Rochester and Strood is an Anti-Israel activist and supports Hamas..

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/124677/anti-isra...

I hope the Conservatives lose next month in Rochester and Strood but nothing in that article suggests that she 'supports Hamas'. Yes she's anti Israel in terms of how it handles it's security but so are other Tory MPs - for example, Alan Duncan.

[Scuffers]

Wombat3 said:

Any examples of this skulduggery?

are you for real?

Lisbon treaty ring any bells?

[Esseesse]

Wombat3 said:

Guam said:

Esseesse said:

The Tory's/Coalition have done everything they can to embed us more deeply into the EU, no different.

Indeed and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous at the least

Any examples of this skulduggery?

Some votes that have taken place in this parliament:

Vote in Parliament said:

Funding for EU propaganda, 14 Jan 2014

In the Union (Approvals) Bill the Government at the behest of the EU asked Parliament to approve the funding of the Europe for Citizens programme obliging taxpayers to fund propaganda promoting political union with Europe.

Result: Aye

Vote in Parliament said:

Holding the EU referendum in 2014, 22 Nov 2013

Instead of holding the referendum on EU membership in 2017 it was proposed to bring forward the national vote to 2014

Result: No

Vote in Parliament said:

Regretting that the Government had failed to propose an EU referendum bill, 15 May 2013

Despite mounting pressure for a referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Union the government did not propose to introduce a bill to bring this into national vote into being

Result: No

Vote in Parliament said:

EU referendum vote, 24 Oct 2011

Following on from a petition from the general public asking for a referendum on Britain's EU membership a motion was brought to the House of Commons to ask for such a vote. This received a great deal of opposition from the leadership of the three main political parties

Result: No

Vote in Parliament said:

International Monetary Fund (Increase in Subscription), 18 Jul 2011

The Government, via the IMF, is using British money to bail out the problems caused by the euro. However, 32 Conservative MPs voted against this misuse of funds. The £9.3 billion can be better used at home; instead the Government is borrowing this money and paying interest on it to offset the failure of the euro. George Eustice and Chris Heaton-Harris who recently criticised the bailouts and signed a letter to the Financial Times calling for the Government to "ensure that the current crisis in the eurozone is a beneficial crisis, not just a painful one" failed to join the rebels

Result: No

Vote in Parliament said:

The right to a referendum on EU membership if the majority of those voting on a treaty oppose its ratification, 01 Feb 2011

During the debate on the EU Bill and the so-called ‘referendum lock’ it was proposed that in the event of a referendum on a future treaty if the British people oppose its ratification they will also be granted a referendum on Britain’s EU membership. The Government opposed this amendment.

Result: No

Vote in Parliament said:

Preventing the expansion of EU law over Justice and Home Affairs, 26 Jan 2011

An amendment was proposed to the Government's EU Bill which sought to constitutionally limit the growth of EU power over Justice and Home Affairs. The Government opposed this attempt to limit future increases in the EU's power in areas relating to crime and immigration.

Result: No

Vote in Parliament said:

Stopping the Government adding to the Eurozone bailouts, 25 Jan 2011

An amendment was proposed to the Government’s EU Bill that would mean that if the Government were to contribute more taxpayers’ money to future bailouts of the Eurozone then a referendum would be triggered. The Government opposed this amendment.

Result: No

Vote in Parliament said:

Affirming the Sovereignty of the UK Parliament, 11 Jan 2011

During the debate on the Government’s EU Bill a motion was moved to reaffirm the sovereignty of the United Kingdom Parliament in relation to EU law. This motion was opposed by the Government which has kept the supremacy of EU law over those laws made by our own democratic institutions.

Result: No

That's all I can be bothered to dig up right now, but there are plenty more.

[Wombat3]

Scuffers said:

Wombat3 said:

Any examples of this skulduggery?

are you for real?

Lisbon treaty ring any bells?

Are you for real? That was signed by Brown, you specifically cited the coalition....

[don4l]

Wombat3 said:

Scuffers said:

Wombat3 said:

Any examples of this skulduggery?

are you for real?

Lisbon treaty ring any bells?

Are you for real? That was signed by Brown, you specifically cited the coalition....

In case you have forgotton, Cameron promised a referendum.