UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
FiF said:
Scuffers said:
FiF said:
Wasn't he a trader on the LME?
Yup, so legitimately, you could call him a commodities broker...Wiki said:
trading commodities at the London Metal Exchange. Initially, he joined the American commodity brokerage firm Drexel Burnham Lambert, transferring to Credit Lyonnais Rouse in 1986. He joined Refco in 1994, and Natexis Metals in 2003.
Scuffers said:
kind of falls in with my view that you should be bared from standing as an MP unless you have 10+ years work experience in a non-public sector industry.
ie, no carrier politicians straight out of uni with media studies etc.
I think that's how the Romans used to do it, if you wanted a senate job, you would have had to prove yourself with military service first.ie, no carrier politicians straight out of uni with media studies etc.
It all seemed to go to pot when career politicians with family/friend ties became the norm to elevate them to power...
Not much really changes.
This seems to be the current line of attack against UKIP. Farage went to a private school then worked in a bank, therefore he's just as much of an establishment stooge as Cameron et al.
It's total nonsense. Thousands of people go to private school and thousands of people become brokers of one sort of another.
"The establishment" at least in my view of it - is a bit more subtle than that. It's cliques formed by personal and family relationships that run through media, politics, the civil service and major corporations. It's a certain way of thinking and working that prizes right thinking above results and sees the bulk of the population as an inconvenience to their plans rather than the whole purpose of having a democratic government in the first place, and sees the pronouncements of certain self proclaimed experts as gospel.
They believe unquestioningly in manmade climate change and European Union in the way that a group of school teachers believe in greater funding for education or a group of businessmen believe in lower taxes. Not necessarily a coordinated plot but a self regarding clique who go spend notbonly most of their adult lives in politics, but are often born into it too.
You don't have to be poor to feel excluded from this or frustrated by the effects of it.
It's total nonsense. Thousands of people go to private school and thousands of people become brokers of one sort of another.
"The establishment" at least in my view of it - is a bit more subtle than that. It's cliques formed by personal and family relationships that run through media, politics, the civil service and major corporations. It's a certain way of thinking and working that prizes right thinking above results and sees the bulk of the population as an inconvenience to their plans rather than the whole purpose of having a democratic government in the first place, and sees the pronouncements of certain self proclaimed experts as gospel.
They believe unquestioningly in manmade climate change and European Union in the way that a group of school teachers believe in greater funding for education or a group of businessmen believe in lower taxes. Not necessarily a coordinated plot but a self regarding clique who go spend notbonly most of their adult lives in politics, but are often born into it too.
You don't have to be poor to feel excluded from this or frustrated by the effects of it.
Hannan says CMD is petulant and unmanly - ouch.
http://www.channel4.com/news/european-union-eu-bil...
"Remaining inside while complaining is petulant, unmanly and counter-productive.".
http://www.channel4.com/news/european-union-eu-bil...
"Remaining inside while complaining is petulant, unmanly and counter-productive.".
Edited by BlackLabel on Saturday 25th October 15:26
The latest hard hitting mobile billboard
@Nigel_Farage: We mustn't forget the child victims in Rotherham and beyond. But we must remember who let them down... http://t.co/VzdS9PEZgJ
@Nigel_Farage: We mustn't forget the child victims in Rotherham and beyond. But we must remember who let them down... http://t.co/VzdS9PEZgJ
Interesting article which discusses whether the rise of UKIP could spark unplanned but welcome constitutional reform
Discusses Open Primaries and implications for Westminster culture and political classes
Unravelling the FPTP system
Upper House Reform, which PM is going to want to appoint 100 UKIP peers, for without reform this is what they must do.
English devolution?
Discusses Open Primaries and implications for Westminster culture and political classes
Unravelling the FPTP system
Upper House Reform, which PM is going to want to appoint 100 UKIP peers, for without reform this is what they must do.
English devolution?
FiF said:
Interesting article which discusses whether the rise of UKIP could spark unplanned but welcome constitutional reform
Discusses Open Primaries and implications for Westminster culture and political classes
Unravelling the FPTP system
Upper House Reform, which PM is going to want to appoint 100 UKIP peers, for without reform this is what they must do.
English devolution?
Great article thanks.Discusses Open Primaries and implications for Westminster culture and political classes
Unravelling the FPTP system
Upper House Reform, which PM is going to want to appoint 100 UKIP peers, for without reform this is what they must do.
English devolution?
Re 'open primaries'. Must admit I had never even heard the phrase until a few weeks ago, and only now appreciate their significance.
Opening up democracy has to be a good thing
steveT350C said:
The latest hard hitting mobile billboard
@Nigel_Farage: We mustn't forget the child victims in Rotherham and beyond. But we must remember who let them down... http://t.co/VzdS9PEZgJ
Like it!@Nigel_Farage: We mustn't forget the child victims in Rotherham and beyond. But we must remember who let them down... http://t.co/VzdS9PEZgJ
don4l said:
You are absolutely correct. The phenomenon even has a name - "cognitive bias".
Which begs the question - Why do you trust Cameron when he has told you so many lies? We have told you about these lies many times in this thread - and you just cannot see it. And yet you seem to know that people only see what they want to see.
Today's big deception was Cameron's assertion that he will not pay the £1.7Bn. As with everything that Cameron says, you need to study the small print very carefully indeed. He will either pay £1.6Bn by the first of December, or he will pay £1.7Bn on the second.
Which option do you think he will choose?
As a matter of interest, do you consider yourself susceptible to or largely able to overcome cognitive bias? Which begs the question - Why do you trust Cameron when he has told you so many lies? We have told you about these lies many times in this thread - and you just cannot see it. And yet you seem to know that people only see what they want to see.
Today's big deception was Cameron's assertion that he will not pay the £1.7Bn. As with everything that Cameron says, you need to study the small print very carefully indeed. He will either pay £1.6Bn by the first of December, or he will pay £1.7Bn on the second.
Which option do you think he will choose?
NicD said:
steveT350C said:
The latest hard hitting mobile billboard
@Nigel_Farage: We mustn't forget the child victims in Rotherham and beyond. But we must remember who let them down... http://t.co/VzdS9PEZgJ
Like it!@Nigel_Farage: We mustn't forget the child victims in Rotherham and beyond. But we must remember who let them down... http://t.co/VzdS9PEZgJ
Just read some of the FB comments... there are some wet-behind-the-ears people out there!
dandarez said:
NicD said:
steveT350C said:
The latest hard hitting mobile billboard
@Nigel_Farage: We mustn't forget the child victims in Rotherham and beyond. But we must remember who let them down... http://t.co/VzdS9PEZgJ
Like it!@Nigel_Farage: We mustn't forget the child victims in Rotherham and beyond. But we must remember who let them down... http://t.co/VzdS9PEZgJ
Just read some of the FB comments... there are some wet-behind-the-ears people out there!
Anyone claiming that this is using the victims as political points scoring is severely f
ked up. This story and it's investigation should be headline news for the sake of the victims.
Why is the establishment turning a blind eye?
If anyone has not watched 'pienmash films', I suggest you sit down, youtube 'pienmash films', put some headphones on and draw your own conclusions.
Eta, as has been said when mentioning pie n mash, if only 25% of what they say is true, it is still alarming.
Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 25th October 18:35
steveT350C said:
The latest hard hitting mobile billboard
@Nigel_Farage: We mustn't forget the child victims in Rotherham and beyond. But we must remember who let them down... http://t.co/VzdS9PEZgJ
@Nigel_Farage: We mustn't forget the child victims in Rotherham and beyond. But we must remember who let them down... http://t.co/VzdS9PEZgJ
Well that's quite bold. It's already causing a lot of controversy on social media (lots of faux outrage) and will, I assume, soon make the mainstream news which is exactly what UKIP would want.
I don't like campaigning on the issue that much, it sits uncomfortably with me for some reason. Talk about it and debate it, sure, but for some reason I can't quite explain appropriately, I don't think it should form a main campaign.
They could make great play with the Alice Gross murder too, they have rightly talked on that case and issue, but to use it would be wrong.
They could make great play with the Alice Gross murder too, they have rightly talked on that case and issue, but to use it would be wrong.
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