UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
HonestIago said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Wow. Seems a novel enough way to commit career suicide.
I'd never heard of him before - now I think he's brilliant! 
If the country went to the polls tomorrow, I seriously believe they would get 100 seats.
By the time May comes around far more doubtful but I think 25 would be achievable. Support on the ground for the party is far greater than a lot of people, especially in the Westminster bubble, believe. I live in the middle of Conservative Surrey and the amount of chatter around here about UKIP should be scaring even the most hard-line party activist.
You only have to look at the comments section on any UKIP themed thread on the newspaper websites or on Guido Fawkes to see the level of support on ground level Sorry but they can't all be UKIP stooges.
By the time May comes around far more doubtful but I think 25 would be achievable. Support on the ground for the party is far greater than a lot of people, especially in the Westminster bubble, believe. I live in the middle of Conservative Surrey and the amount of chatter around here about UKIP should be scaring even the most hard-line party activist.
You only have to look at the comments section on any UKIP themed thread on the newspaper websites or on Guido Fawkes to see the level of support on ground level Sorry but they can't all be UKIP stooges.
The Hypno-Toad said:
If the country went to the polls tomorrow, I seriously believe they would get 100 seats.
By the time May comes around far more doubtful but I think 25 would be achievable. Support on the ground for the party is far greater than a lot of people, especially in the Westminster bubble, believe. I live in the middle of Conservative Surrey and the amount of chatter around here about UKIP should be scaring even the most hard-line party activist.
You only have to look at the comments section on any UKIP themed thread on the newspaper websites or on Guido Fawkes to see the level of support on ground level Sorry but they can't all be UKIP stooges.
What makes you think UKIP support will wane between now and May? Not having a go just curious as to your thinking. I personally think that UKIP support will only go one way, and it isn't down!By the time May comes around far more doubtful but I think 25 would be achievable. Support on the ground for the party is far greater than a lot of people, especially in the Westminster bubble, believe. I live in the middle of Conservative Surrey and the amount of chatter around here about UKIP should be scaring even the most hard-line party activist.
You only have to look at the comments section on any UKIP themed thread on the newspaper websites or on Guido Fawkes to see the level of support on ground level Sorry but they can't all be UKIP stooges.
Guam said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
Given neither FIF or I feel this number is likely, if they do get the funding for this and if they get the the vote out on the ground, how many is the maximum number they could get?
Lets assume its in LD territory (60ish) would a coalition really be on the cards or would the main two (whoever won), just go for a re run again and again to attempt to force the electorate to go for a majority?
Lets be realistic they don't HAVE to accept a minority government deal.
Its not a tactic we have seen here much (if at all), I am starting to wonder however whether they may start to think that way soon.
What would happen to UKIP support if they made such pronouncements in the run up to 2015?
Given the 15 consecutive IF this and IF that then 50-60 but it's a good question.Given neither FIF or I feel this number is likely, if they do get the funding for this and if they get the the vote out on the ground, how many is the maximum number they could get?
Lets assume its in LD territory (60ish) would a coalition really be on the cards or would the main two (whoever won), just go for a re run again and again to attempt to force the electorate to go for a majority?
Lets be realistic they don't HAVE to accept a minority government deal.
Its not a tactic we have seen here much (if at all), I am starting to wonder however whether they may start to think that way soon.
What would happen to UKIP support if they made such pronouncements in the run up to 2015?
Suspect Labour and LibDems and Greens would go into coalition with Tories before they're going to consider UKIP.
Also think that so many have swallowed the anti-UKIP smears that tactical anti voting could take place.
In summary who knows really.
HonestIago said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
If the country went to the polls tomorrow, I seriously believe they would get 100 seats.
By the time May comes around far more doubtful but I think 25 would be achievable. Support on the ground for the party is far greater than a lot of people, especially in the Westminster bubble, believe. I live in the middle of Conservative Surrey and the amount of chatter around here about UKIP should be scaring even the most hard-line party activist.
You only have to look at the comments section on any UKIP themed thread on the newspaper websites or on Guido Fawkes to see the level of support on ground level Sorry but they can't all be UKIP stooges.
What makes you think UKIP support will wane between now and May? Not having a go just curious as to your thinking. I personally think that UKIP support will only go one way, and it isn't down!By the time May comes around far more doubtful but I think 25 would be achievable. Support on the ground for the party is far greater than a lot of people, especially in the Westminster bubble, believe. I live in the middle of Conservative Surrey and the amount of chatter around here about UKIP should be scaring even the most hard-line party activist.
You only have to look at the comments section on any UKIP themed thread on the newspaper websites or on Guido Fawkes to see the level of support on ground level Sorry but they can't all be UKIP stooges.
Guam said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
Given neither FIF or I feel this number is likely, if they do get the funding for this and if they get the the vote out on the ground, how many is the maximum number they could get?
Lets assume its in LD territory (60ish) would a coalition really be on the cards or would the main two (whoever won), just go for a re run again and again to attempt to force the electorate to go for a majority?
Lets be realistic they don't HAVE to accept a minority government deal.
Its not a tactic we have seen here much (if at all), I am starting to wonder however whether they may start to think that way soon.
What would happen to UKIP support if they made such pronouncements in the run up to 2015?
I suspect that this is the link that you meant to post:-Given neither FIF or I feel this number is likely, if they do get the funding for this and if they get the the vote out on the ground, how many is the maximum number they could get?
Lets assume its in LD territory (60ish) would a coalition really be on the cards or would the main two (whoever won), just go for a re run again and again to attempt to force the electorate to go for a majority?
Lets be realistic they don't HAVE to accept a minority government deal.
Its not a tactic we have seen here much (if at all), I am starting to wonder however whether they may start to think that way soon.
What would happen to UKIP support if they made such pronouncements in the run up to 2015?
UKIP to win 100 seats
Only a year ago, we were mocked for thinking that UKIP could win just a single seat. A few months ago, derision was heaped on anyone who suggested that UKIP would win 10 seats.
Now, people are openly suggesting that UKIP will get 100 seats!
...we live in interesting times.
If Labour strategists think letting their tame journos loose and this really is their strategy then they may have regrets after 2015.
Kevin MacGuire's usual lefty twaddle
Meanwhile in Boston and Skegness Tories select a Londonite Technology wonk journalist.
Oh dear
Kevin MacGuire's usual lefty twaddle
Meanwhile in Boston and Skegness Tories select a Londonite Technology wonk journalist.
Oh dear
Guam said:
FiF said:
If Labour strategists think letting their tame journos loose and this really is their strategy then they may have regrets after 2015.
Kevin MacGuire's usual lefty twaddle
Meanwhile in Boston and Skegness Tories select a Londonite Technology wonk journalist.
Oh dear
“Matt Warman. A journalist, Warman is Head of Technology for the Daily Telegraph, a post which obviously gives him national media experience. Of the four he would be the only first time candidate, but his website emphasises local links – his in-laws live in Lincolnshire and he and his wife are ‘looking forward to moving home’. He also points to his professional life as a sign that he would use technology as a way to engage new voters.”Kevin MacGuire's usual lefty twaddle
Meanwhile in Boston and Skegness Tories select a Londonite Technology wonk journalist.
Oh dear
As if one needed more evidence how out of touch the political classes are
FiF said:
If Labour strategists think letting their tame journos loose and this really is their strategy then they may have regrets after 2015.
Kevin MacGuire's usual lefty twaddle
Meanwhile in Boston and Skegness Tories select a Londonite Technology wonk journalist.
Oh dear
Ha. I went to school with their new candidate for Havant, Alan Mak, he was in the year below me. Kevin MacGuire's usual lefty twaddle
Meanwhile in Boston and Skegness Tories select a Londonite Technology wonk journalist.
Oh dear
I'll try and find some dirt.
jogon said:
Zod said:
o you two think UKIP is going to win the GE?
Or are you banking one UKIP/Conservative coalition in which Cameron, Osborne and most of the current ministers are defenestration and sonebody like UKIP hero, David Davis takes over as Farage's Prime Minister?
Do you really think the Conservatives or Labour will be able to form a majority? Or are you banking one UKIP/Conservative coalition in which Cameron, Osborne and most of the current ministers are defenestration and sonebody like UKIP hero, David Davis takes over as Farage's Prime Minister?
Edited by Zod on Sunday 26th October 13:42
The Conservatives, probably not, although that would be my preferred outcome.
HonestIago said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
If the country went to the polls tomorrow, I seriously believe they would get 100 seats.
By the time May comes around far more doubtful but I think 25 would be achievable. Support on the ground for the party is far greater than a lot of people, especially in the Westminster bubble, believe. I live in the middle of Conservative Surrey and the amount of chatter around here about UKIP should be scaring even the most hard-line party activist.
You only have to look at the comments section on any UKIP themed thread on the newspaper websites or on Guido Fawkes to see the level of support on ground level Sorry but they can't all be UKIP stooges.
What makes you think UKIP support will wane between now and May? Not having a go just curious as to your thinking. I personally think that UKIP support will only go one way, and it isn't down!By the time May comes around far more doubtful but I think 25 would be achievable. Support on the ground for the party is far greater than a lot of people, especially in the Westminster bubble, believe. I live in the middle of Conservative Surrey and the amount of chatter around here about UKIP should be scaring even the most hard-line party activist.
You only have to look at the comments section on any UKIP themed thread on the newspaper websites or on Guido Fawkes to see the level of support on ground level Sorry but they can't all be UKIP stooges.
Of course it could go the other way if more Rotherhams, EU emergency fines or ISIS in the UK situations arise.
That's the joy of the current political circus. For the first time in decades nobody really knows & that's brilliant because everyone involved now has to prove they want your vote, prove that they want to work for you, prove that will keep their promises. It might be the electorate think that this will be UKIP but to be honest I hope not. I don't think it would be good for the country as a whole if a party full of people who have never held any form of political office where to have a majority but what I do want is UKIP to have is a substantial number of seats so that they can have a clear influence on the business of the government. The clear majority may have to wait until the election after that when they have a bit more experience. (or have been absorbed into a more right-wing Conservative party.).
The next interesting thing will not be the number of MPs who will defect after Reckless wins but which newspaper ties its horse to the bandwagon because I'm quite sure there will be one.
As for the Liberal Democrats. The dustbin of history awaits. I wonder if any of their MPs might defect to Labour before polling day?
The Hypno-Toad said:
As for the Liberal Democrats. The dustbin of history awaits. I wonder if any of their MPs might defect to Labour before polling day?
Once they're out of office for a while I expect them to recover at least quite a lot, probably more than half of the support that they're lost. Especially if they get a fresh leader.Some may stick to the Greens/Lab though. I imagine voters shifting between parties at the moment to be a little like deforming a material beyond it's elastic limit, there will be some return to normal when the pressure is released, but at least a small kink will remain.
Esseesse said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
As for the Liberal Democrats. The dustbin of history awaits. I wonder if any of their MPs might defect to Labour before polling day?
Once they're out of office for a while I expect them to recover at least quite a lot, probably more than half of the support that they're lost. Especially if they get a fresh leader.Some may stick to the Greens/Lab though. I imagine voters shifting between parties at the moment to be a little like deforming a material beyond it's elastic limit, there will be some return to normal when the pressure is released, but at least a small kink will remain.
Zod said:
Esseesse said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
As for the Liberal Democrats. The dustbin of history awaits. I wonder if any of their MPs might defect to Labour before polling day?
Once they're out of office for a while I expect them to recover at least quite a lot, probably more than half of the support that they're lost. Especially if they get a fresh leader.Some may stick to the Greens/Lab though. I imagine voters shifting between parties at the moment to be a little like deforming a material beyond it's elastic limit, there will be some return to normal when the pressure is released, but at least a small kink will remain.
jogon said:
Comedian Andrew Lawrence has a rant at BBC liberal biast comedians, I've never heard of him myself but I think I'll tune in from now on..
Can't help but notice increasingly, a lot 'political' comedians cracking cheap and easy gags about UKIP, to the extent that it's got hack, boring and lazy very quickly.
Particularly too much moronic, liberal back-slapping on panel shows like Mock The Week where aging, balding, fat men, ethnic comedians and women-posing-as-comedians, sit congratulating themselves on how enlightened they are about the fact that UKIP are ridiculous and pathetic.
Yet the Clacton by-election victory and what looks to be a likely victory in the Rochester by-election goes to show that UKIP have their supporters.
Out of touch, smug, superannuated, overpaid TV comics with their cosy lives in their west-London ivory towers taking a supercilious, moralising tone, pandering to the ever-creeping militant political correctness of the BBC with their frankly surreal diversity targets.
The reason UKIP have resonated with voters is because all the other parties are too spineless to tackle the issue of immigration.
Our elected representatives seeded control of the borders of this country to the EU and it's been catastrophic for us all, an unmitigated disaster. Nothing works. Public transport infrastructure is dysfunctional. Hospitals and Schools are dysfunctional. The housing crisis continues to blight our economic potential and destroy the hopes and dreams of a generation. The benefits system is totally out of control. All because there are far,far too many people living here.
For every wonderful, welcome skilled worker our open borders bring into this country, there are also benefit tourists and criminals. For every person that comes here and contributes richly to our culture, there are those that refuse to assimilate, which breeds distrust and has led to a fractured, broken society, where people have lost all sense of community.
Can't say that I'm a UKIP supporter, but I can see why other people are, and I don't disrespect them for it.
What I don't respect is lazy comedians, who market themselves as 'political' but rather than having the courage of their own convictions jump on the militant liberal bandwagon- which has been the source of so much s
t stand-up over the years- so that they can get TV work and line their own pockets.
There is a deeply ingrained militant liberal politics at every level of the BBC, despite the fact that it's tax-payer funded and supposed to be neutral. It's a biased organisation and the only sorts of political comedians that are welcome within its corridors are those that reflect it's values.
Essentially when we're watching these 'political' comedians cracking their piss-poor UKIP gags on the BBC, I think we need to be aware they are neither engaged nor passionate about their subject- but money-grubbing charlatans, toadying up to the militant liberals that pay their wages, mirroring their own beliefs back at them in an act of false flattery so that they'll feel smug and validated and keep them on the BBC tax-payer funded gravy-train.
I'm not a political comic, my only ambition for my comedy is to make a room full of people laugh. But there are those that disingenuously market themselves as political comics, not out of any genuine conviction, but in an effort to line their own pockets, and I don't like their hypocrisy.
It's difficult to work out from your text what is your view and what is his quote (i.e. last para is a quote?)Can't help but notice increasingly, a lot 'political' comedians cracking cheap and easy gags about UKIP, to the extent that it's got hack, boring and lazy very quickly.
Particularly too much moronic, liberal back-slapping on panel shows like Mock The Week where aging, balding, fat men, ethnic comedians and women-posing-as-comedians, sit congratulating themselves on how enlightened they are about the fact that UKIP are ridiculous and pathetic.
Yet the Clacton by-election victory and what looks to be a likely victory in the Rochester by-election goes to show that UKIP have their supporters.
Out of touch, smug, superannuated, overpaid TV comics with their cosy lives in their west-London ivory towers taking a supercilious, moralising tone, pandering to the ever-creeping militant political correctness of the BBC with their frankly surreal diversity targets.
The reason UKIP have resonated with voters is because all the other parties are too spineless to tackle the issue of immigration.
Our elected representatives seeded control of the borders of this country to the EU and it's been catastrophic for us all, an unmitigated disaster. Nothing works. Public transport infrastructure is dysfunctional. Hospitals and Schools are dysfunctional. The housing crisis continues to blight our economic potential and destroy the hopes and dreams of a generation. The benefits system is totally out of control. All because there are far,far too many people living here.
For every wonderful, welcome skilled worker our open borders bring into this country, there are also benefit tourists and criminals. For every person that comes here and contributes richly to our culture, there are those that refuse to assimilate, which breeds distrust and has led to a fractured, broken society, where people have lost all sense of community.
Can't say that I'm a UKIP supporter, but I can see why other people are, and I don't disrespect them for it.
What I don't respect is lazy comedians, who market themselves as 'political' but rather than having the courage of their own convictions jump on the militant liberal bandwagon- which has been the source of so much s
t stand-up over the years- so that they can get TV work and line their own pockets.There is a deeply ingrained militant liberal politics at every level of the BBC, despite the fact that it's tax-payer funded and supposed to be neutral. It's a biased organisation and the only sorts of political comedians that are welcome within its corridors are those that reflect it's values.
Essentially when we're watching these 'political' comedians cracking their piss-poor UKIP gags on the BBC, I think we need to be aware they are neither engaged nor passionate about their subject- but money-grubbing charlatans, toadying up to the militant liberals that pay their wages, mirroring their own beliefs back at them in an act of false flattery so that they'll feel smug and validated and keep them on the BBC tax-payer funded gravy-train.
I'm not a political comic, my only ambition for my comedy is to make a room full of people laugh. But there are those that disingenuously market themselves as political comics, not out of any genuine conviction, but in an effort to line their own pockets, and I don't like their hypocrisy.
Sounds to me more like he has sour grapes. His wiki page indicates that he's happy to suckle at the Beebs teat when offered the opportunity. It sounds like he's unhappy because other comedians are just better at suckling...
Well, i had a my first ever run it with a labour voter/union nutcase this morning. I've heard the stories/anecdotes and seen the news stories but this is my first actual interaction with one of these cretins. Started as a fairly harmless conversation about car insurance, things turned sour when he made the comment "Lloyds gave me a cheaper quote, but I didn't want to buy anything from them as they don't have a union and have been making people redundant, so I went with Halifax". When I pointed out that Lloyds own Halifax his reaction was comparable to the reaction I'd expect if I was caught pissing through his letterbox.
Politically I've been very 'on the fence' and much of the opinion that they're all as bad as each other. At the end of his 15 minute rant I only know one thing, I will never ever vote labour. The only thing stopping me voting UKIP is the chance it may let labour in. I'm sure someone will educate me if this is another nonsense statement from politicians.
Politically I've been very 'on the fence' and much of the opinion that they're all as bad as each other. At the end of his 15 minute rant I only know one thing, I will never ever vote labour. The only thing stopping me voting UKIP is the chance it may let labour in. I'm sure someone will educate me if this is another nonsense statement from politicians.
KarlMac said:
Politically I've been very 'on the fence' and much of the opinion that they're all as bad as each other. At the end of his 15 minute rant I only know one thing, I will never ever vote labour. The only thing stopping me voting UKIP is the chance it may let labour in. I'm sure someone will educate me if this is another nonsense statement from politicians.
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