UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[Esseesse]

dandarez said:

I have, and just put so on the other thread (which at the moment shows just 20 per cent as being polled).

It was recently too. Now I'm not one to walk around in a T-shirt Vote UKIP, probably because many think I'm still Tory. However, in chit chat and conversation I don't hold back and re this pollster, the conversation went dead after it was obvious of my voting intention. Which I thought strange and could only conclude the poll was an agenda one.

It was probably you I was remembering in my post above. Which pollster?

[dandarez]

Esseesse said:

dandarez said:

I have, and just put so on the other thread (which at the moment shows just 20 per cent as being polled).

It was recently too. Now I'm not one to walk around in a T-shirt Vote UKIP, probably because many think I'm still Tory. However, in chit chat and conversation I don't hold back and re this pollster, the conversation went dead after it was obvious of my voting intention. Which I thought strange and could only conclude the poll was an agenda one.

It was probably you I was remembering in my post above. Which pollster?

I think they were from Com-Res.

Edit to my prev post:

'...being polled(!) - canvassed - perhaps 'polled' will be outlawed soon. You can't say that!

This is in CMD town too. He should hardly be worried but perhaps it was to find out if his majority might be hit - both Labour and Ukip have made more movement here than other parties for years. Labour have taken council seats and UKIP ran them a close half a doz votes. I know that is just local politics but it does tell you a lot.

CMD had a 22k maj last time but I can remember when turncoat Woodward (then Tory) won by only around 7k. You really never know voters... 'usually' as is pointed out by 'experts' they chicken out at the last minute and stick with the status quo. Even i have been like that over the years.

This time... 'is' and 'will be' VERY DIFFERENT!
You can now sense and feel it.

Can't resist... wait and see!

[Esseesse]

dandarez said:

I think they were from Com-Res.

Edit to my prev post:

'...being polled(!) - canvassed - perhaps 'polled' will be outlawed soon. You can't say that!

This is in CMD town too. He should hardly be worried but perhaps it was to find out if his majority might be hit - both Labour and Ukip have made more movement here than other parties for years. Labour have taken council seats and UKIP ran them a close half a doz votes. I know that is just local politics but it does tell you a lot.

CMD had a 22k maj last time but I can remember when turncoat Woodward (then Tory) won by only around 7k. You really never know voters... 'usually' as is pointed out by 'experts' they chicken out at the last minute and stick with the status quo. Even i have been like that over the years.

This time... 'is' and 'will be' VERY DIFFERENT!
You can now sense and feel it.

Can't resist... wait and see!

Reading the essay posted on a previous page about where UKIP draws it's support, PH supporters are not typical according to conventional wisdom.

Do you think perhaps middle class support may be greater than first thought? My thinking behind this is maybe middle classes/university educated voters are more shy to reveal what they think, whereas the 'left behind' are more likely to call a spade a spade?

[mrpurple]

I am continually surprised by the number occasions UKIP comes up in the most random of conversations during everyday events like shopping, taking the dog out, attending hospital, getting on a bus etc These occur almost spontaneously with all kinds of people with ages ranging right across the spectrum - and I live in an area that is not "one of those areas that others appear to refer."

None have ever been solicited by me and in fact, believe or not, other than making the most basic of comments I do not express my views when the subject is brought up.

All of which leaves me wondering why anti kippers continue aiming their, jibes, ridicules and insults at the party at every opportunity whether relevant to UKIP or not(i.e. WTF has poppies at the TOL got to do with UKIP?) Just cheap, childish, shots that get the establishment absolutely nowhere and an indication how scared the elite (media & political) really are.....interesting times ahead I think.

[s2art]

Esseesse said:

Do you think perhaps middle class support may be greater than first thought? My thinking behind this is maybe middle classes/university educated voters are more shy to reveal what they think, whereas the 'left behind' are more likely to call a spade a spade?

Pretty sure that is a factor. Its not fashionable in certain circles to admit to being a Ukip voter.

[dandarez]

Esseesse said:

dandarez said:

I think they were from Com-Res.

Edit to my prev post:

'...being polled(!) - canvassed - perhaps 'polled' will be outlawed soon. You can't say that!

This is in CMD town too. He should hardly be worried but perhaps it was to find out if his majority might be hit - both Labour and Ukip have made more movement here than other parties for years. Labour have taken council seats and UKIP ran them a close half a doz votes. I know that is just local politics but it does tell you a lot.

CMD had a 22k maj last time but I can remember when turncoat Woodward (then Tory) won by only around 7k. You really never know voters... 'usually' as is pointed out by 'experts' they chicken out at the last minute and stick with the status quo. Even i have been like that over the years.

This time... 'is' and 'will be' VERY DIFFERENT!
You can now sense and feel it.

Can't resist... wait and see!

Reading the essay posted on a previous page about where UKIP draws it's support, PH supporters are not typical according to conventional wisdom.

Do you think perhaps middle class support may be greater than first thought? My thinking behind this is maybe middle classes/university educated voters are more shy to reveal what they think, whereas the 'left behind' are more likely to call a spade a spade?

That could be part of it. And the answer why I won't wear a Vote UKIP t-shirt. One Tory friend has confided he will vote kipper but he and his missus are telling no one else, even at the point of putting their X. I wonder if they will be so timid should the unthinkable come to fruition?

I have a feeling, well I know to be honest, he would tut, tut, oh dear, ah well etc ...and behind backs snigger like Precious Pupp.


And if you have no idea who Precious Pupp is, it was the earlier Hanna Barbera cartoon version of Muttley, and if you don't know who Muttley is, you gotta be young!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMk63SOkdms

[handpaper]

I wouldn't wear a UKIP t-shirt, but have dressed semi-formally in a purple shirt and gold tie. Completely unintentional, even though I was a supporter

[jogon]

What is nice to watch is when they interview the average man or woman on the street they say it with pride and look excited about voting for them. Rather than the usual 'best of a bad bunch', 'I've always voted for them' etc. Look out for it as we approach the Rochester and Strood by election it is quite endearing and refreshing to watch and have noticed it quite a few times.

http://youtu.be/J5TWutxQ0bo

[Scuffers]

jogon said:

What is nice to watch is when they interview the average man or woman on the street they say it with pride and look excited about voting for them. Rather than the usual 'best of a bad bunch', 'I've always voted for them' etc. Look out for it as we approach the Rochester and Strood by election it is quite endearing and refreshing to watch and have noticed it quite a few times.

http://youtu.be/J5TWutxQ0bo

I know that was clacton, but every single person wanted to say ukip

[don4l]

mrpurple said:

I am continually surprised by the number occasions UKIP comes up in the most random of conversations during everyday events like shopping, taking the dog out, attending hospital, getting on a bus etc These occur almost spontaneously with all kinds of people with ages ranging right across the spectrum - and I live in an area that is not "one of those areas that others appear to refer."

None have ever been solicited by me and in fact, believe or not, other than making the most basic of comments I do not express my views when the subject is brought up.

All of which leaves me wondering why anti kippers continue aiming their, jibes, ridicules and insults at the party at every opportunity whether relevant to UKIP or not(i.e. WTF has poppies at the TOL got to do with UKIP?) Just cheap, childish, shots that get the establishment absolutely nowhere and an indication how scared the elite (media & political) really are.....interesting times ahead I think.

Some people fear change.

It is nothing to do with intelligence. Witness both Zod and FredCloggs are in a bit of a rage about UKIP, and yet they are opposite end of the political spectrum, as well as the intelligence spectrum.

[mrpurple]

don4l said:

mrpurple said:

I am continually surprised by the number occasions UKIP comes up in the most random of conversations during everyday events like shopping, taking the dog out, attending hospital, getting on a bus etc These occur almost spontaneously with all kinds of people with ages ranging right across the spectrum - and I live in an area that is not "one of those areas that others appear to refer."

None have ever been solicited by me and in fact, believe or not, other than making the most basic of comments I do not express my views when the subject is brought up.

All of which leaves me wondering why anti kippers continue aiming their, jibes, ridicules and insults at the party at every opportunity whether relevant to UKIP or not(i.e. WTF has poppies at the TOL got to do with UKIP?) Just cheap, childish, shots that get the establishment absolutely nowhere and an indication how scared the elite (media & political) really are.....interesting times ahead I think.

Some people fear change.

It is nothing to do with intelligence. Witness both Zod and FredCloggs are in a bit of a rage about UKIP, and yet they are opposite end of the political spectrum, as well as the intelligence spectrum.

I quoted heavily from this in my dissertation....perhaps the "elite" should buy a copy.

Teaching the Elephant to Dance

"But, we've always done it that way,"........ a symptom of impending disaster for any organization.


http://www.belasco.com/elephant.htm

[Esseesse]

johnxjsc1985 said:

don4l said:

Today's big deception was Cameron's assertion that he will not pay the £1.7Bn. As with everything that Cameron says, you need to study the small print very carefully indeed. He will either pay £1.6Bn by the first of December, or he will pay £1.7Bn on the second.

Which option do you think he will choose?

Yes we will all wait for the declaration of his tremendous success in renegotiating a £50 rebate.
When did we become such an easy touch

Part of me wonders if it could be possible that Cameron intentionally got the EU to double the UK bill so he can later 'successfully' renegotiate it to half...

[The Hypno-Toad]

Slightly off topic but on my facebook feed something curious popped up last night.

I have an ex-workmate who has some errrr.... interesting political views and he has 'liked' an article about the 'bacon to mosque door' story. As it appears to have come from an extreme right wing site I didn't pay much attention to it.
Until I noticed it had 56,000 likes.

That seems like a lot of people swinging to a rather nasty viewpoint of life. What with this and the Britain First scumbags, is some of the country already beginning to bypass UKIP and swing even further to the right?

Not good.

[HonestIago]

There's no doubt UKIP support is being downplayed in the polls, I expect them to get 20-25% (nearer the latter) in the GE next year. The problem facing UKIP is the prospect of wide-scale electoral fraud - we will not have proper democracy until the government gets a handle on postal voting. It is simply not in their interest to do so though.

[PRTVR]

The Hypno-Toad said:

Slightly off topic but on my facebook feed something curious popped up last night.

I have an ex-workmate who has some errrr.... interesting political views and he has 'liked' an article about the 'bacon to mosque door' story. As it appears to have come from an extreme right wing site I didn't pay much attention to it.
Until I noticed it had 56,000 likes.

That seems like a lot of people swinging to a rather nasty viewpoint of life. What with this and the Britain First scumbags, is some of the country already beginning to bypass UKIP and swing even further to the right?

Not good.

I agree but is not a product of years of liberal political decisions, is it not just the normal swing in attitude that takes place.

[turbobloke]

PRTVR said:

The Hypno-Toad said:

Slightly off topic but on my facebook feed something curious popped up last night.

I have an ex-workmate who has some errrr.... interesting political views and he has 'liked' an article about the 'bacon to mosque door' story. As it appears to have come from an extreme right wing site I didn't pay much attention to it.
Until I noticed it had 56,000 likes.

That seems like a lot of people swinging to a rather nasty viewpoint of life. What with this and the Britain First scumbags, is some of the country already beginning to bypass UKIP and swing even further to the right?

Not good.

I agree but is not a product of years of liberal political decisions, is it not just the normal swing in attitude that takes place.

I was about to agree as well, adding that the country has already swung too far to the left so any further in that direction would only lead to more of the above. People are recognising that left-liberalism has failed. If we're offered more of the same, the reaction to that may well take the form of increased support not for UKIP but the far right which as per The Hypno-Toad's post is not good.

Naturally given the tendency on this thread for certain individuals to take any pop at UKIP that presents itself, there may be a response which tries to paint UKIP as far right, but it's no such thing. With many aspects of Cameroonism so close to Bliarism, UKIP is doing no more than embodying what many naturally conservative (small c) people are looking for.

[jogon]

PRTVR said:

I agree but is not a product of years of liberal political decisions, is it not just the normal swing in attitude that takes place.

Wishful thinking. But not one to tar this thread with as only UKIP exclude members who have been part of any far right organisations.

UKIP is just a result of the Conservatives and Labour going all liberal and alienating their traditional supporters.

[Esseesse]

How The Spectator stopped Mark Reckless from reaching parliament in 2005

Does anybody know the why to go with this stupid article?

[FiF]

The Hypno-Toad said:

Slightly off topic but on my facebook feed something curious popped up last night.

I have an ex-workmate who has some errrr.... interesting political views and he has 'liked' an article about the 'bacon to mosque door' story. As it appears to have come from an extreme right wing site I didn't pay much attention to it.
Until I noticed it had 56,000 likes.

That seems like a lot of people swinging to a rather nasty viewpoint of life. What with this and the Britain First scumbags, is some of the country already beginning to bypass UKIP and swing even further to the right?

Not good.

There was something the other day which "researched" in inverted commas for obvious reasons the number of likes on Facebook and Britain First was very high compared to UKIP and the other parties.

There wasn't any intelligent analysis of what and how this was running but it's a worrying trend if an accurate reflection of things, which suspect it isn't.

[Axionknight]

The Hypno-Toad said:

Slightly off topic but on my facebook feed something curious popped up last night.

I have an ex-workmate who has some errrr.... interesting political views and he has 'liked' an article about the 'bacon to mosque door' story. As it appears to have come from an extreme right wing site I didn't pay much attention to it.
Until I noticed it had 56,000 likes.

That seems like a lot of people swinging to a rather nasty viewpoint of life. What with this and the Britain First scumbags, is some of the country already beginning to bypass UKIP and swing even further to the right?

Not good.

Nah, you always have, and always will get tossers on any side of the political spectrum - some people probably just liked it because they thought it was funny etc