UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[jogon]

don4l said:

The good news just keeps on getting better!

UKIP lead in Rochester is up another 2 points. We are now 15 points ahead of the Conservatives.

http://order-order.com/2014/10/31/poll-ukip-lead-i...

Lib Dems behind Britians First. I stand behind my prediction that every one of their seats is up for grabs come May.

[steveT350C]

^^^

Happy days.

Eta. Happy re UKIP's lead, and nothing else.

Edited by steveT350C on Friday 31st October 21:00

[The Hypno-Toad]

jogon said:

Lib Dems behind Britians First.

For a moment I thought that was quite funny and then I realised its actually quite worrying. Not the demise of the Liberals, that's not before time but I detest anything to do with those fascist nutbags Britians First.

As I mentioned before it appears we are careering rapidly to the right in this country at the moment.

[don4l]

jogon said:

Lib Dems behind Britians First. I stand behind my prediction that every one of their seats is up for grabs come May.

I do wonder just why the LibDems are so unpopular, even universally loathed.

It cannot be a result of the fact that they are a bunch of backstabbers.

The fact that they are a bunch of liars, some of them convicted, cannot explain their downfall. Cameron has told almost as many lies.

A charmless leader doesn't explain it either. Just look at Labour.

So, what on Earth has caused them to fall to 1.67%

It cannot be their propensity to search for sexual satisfaction behind the local public gents convenience. Members of other parties have engaged in indecent acts in public parks without suffering so badly in the polls.

So why is that the LibDems are suffering so badly?

[turbobloke]

don4l said:

I do wonder just why the LibDems are so unpopular, even universally loathed.

It cannot be a result of the fact that they are a bunch of backstabbers.

The fact that they are a bunch of liars, some of them convicted, cannot explain their downfall. Cameron has told almost as many lies.

A charmless leader doesn't explain it either. Just look at Labour.

So, what on Earth has caused them to fall to 1.67%

It cannot be their propensity to search for sexual satisfaction behind the local public gents convenience. Members of other parties have engaged in indecent acts in public parks without suffering so badly in the polls.

So why is that the LibDems are suffering so badly?

Each of the above on its own may not be responsible, including the students being sold out, but taken together the rap sheet is a long one.

What's the point of Party that effectively sees a future role for itself shackling the others in a sham marriage?! There isn't one.

[egor110]

The Hypno-Toad said:

jogon said:

Lib Dems behind Britians First.

For a moment I thought that was quite funny and then I realised its actually quite worrying. Not the demise of the Liberals, that's not before time but I detest anything to do with those fascist nutbags Britians First.

As I mentioned before it appears we are careering rapidly to the right in this country at the moment.

How do you work that out?

We keep getting told a ukip vote is just going to get labour back in , you can't have it both ways.

[IanMorewood]

Labour without Scotland (I.e. just the promised English parliament) would come third and I don't think even including Scotland and Wales you would end up with anything other than ukip in power as either a minority government or as part of a coalition.

[jogon]

Britian First, according to their wiki, campaign mainly against the Islamistion of Britain. Given the recent events with Rotherham, Rochdale, Manchester etc plus the huge ISIS recruitment, Trojan horse, Rigby and the fact that between '01-'09 they outbred non muslim population by 10-1.

Is there any wonder why they are outperforming a party that stands for nothing. The cuckold party

Edited by jogon on Friday 31st October 21:53

[mrpurple]

The Hypno-Toad said:

For a moment I thought that was quite funny and then I realised its actually quite worrying. Not the demise of the Liberals, that's not before time but I detest anything to do with those fascist nutbags Britians First.

As I mentioned before it appears we are careering rapidly to the right in this country at the moment.

I am a confirmed kipper but I've done this several times in the last couple of years and still can't get my head around this left / right business.......I come at at about the same place each time........Nelson Mandela / Dalai Lama......anyone care to explain?

[turbobloke]

Could it possibly be that you folks already committed to voting UKIP aren't what the opponents of UKIP are portraying you as? Just a thought

[wc98]

mrpurple said:

The Hypno-Toad said:

For a moment I thought that was quite funny and then I realised its actually quite worrying. Not the demise of the Liberals, that's not before time but I detest anything to do with those fascist nutbags Britians First.

As I mentioned before it appears we are careering rapidly to the right in this country at the moment.

I am a confirmed kipper but I've done this several times in the last couple of years and still can't get my head around this left / right business.......I come at at about the same place each time........Nelson Mandela / Dalai Lama......anyone care to explain?

me too ,very strange,maybe they are trick questions

[mrpurple]

turbobloke said:

Could it possibly be that you folks already committed to voting UKIP aren't what the opponents of UKIP are portraying you as? Just a thought

You mean I am not an uneducated, left behind, loony, gadfly, retired half colonel closet racist after all?

[powerstroke]

The Hypno-Toad said:

jogon said:

Lib Dems behind Britians First.

For a moment I thought that was quite funny and then I realised its actually quite worrying. Not the demise of the Liberals, that's not before time but I detest anything to do with those fascist nutbags Britians First.

As I mentioned before it appears we are careering rapidly to the right in this country at the moment.

Don't worry the loony left are building up the green party
For the lib dums replacement.

[steveT350C]

wc98 said:

mrpurple said:

The Hypno-Toad said:

For a moment I thought that was quite funny and then I realised its actually quite worrying. Not the demise of the Liberals, that's not before time but I detest anything to do with those fascist nutbags Britians First.

As I mentioned before it appears we are careering rapidly to the right in this country at the moment.

I am a confirmed kipper but I've done this several times in the last couple of years and still can't get my head around this left / right business.......I come at at about the same place each time........Nelson Mandela / Dalai Lama......anyone care to explain?

me too ,very strange,maybe they are trick questions

Mine's the same.

[jogon]

powerstroke said:

Don't worry the loony left are building up the green party
For the lib dums replacement.

It is becoming rather obvious isn't. Issue for the Greens is Brighton where even the local hippies are getting fed up of the constant traffic jam that encapsulates the entire city thanks to myriad of bus and cycle lanes. The new i360 viewing platform they pushed through was as popular as led balloon. So will be interesting to see if they hold on.

[FiF]

Article about Labour bungee jumpers. In short Labour have a history of asking MPs who are not going to stand again to delay their announcement. This prevents the normal constituency selection process from completion due to lack of time and so candidates from the favoured list of aides, relatives etc are parachuted in. Raises issue of selection of local candidates pointing out the varied seats that Farage has stood over the years.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliba...

[AJS-]

mrpurple said:

turbobloke said:

Could it possibly be that you folks already committed to voting UKIP aren't what the opponents of UKIP are portraying you as? Just a thought

You mean I am not an uneducated, left behind, loony, gadfly, retired half colonel closet racist after all?

Along with wc98's about left and right, it points towards a more general failure of using broad demographics to try and understand opinions and predict voting patterns.

I read Revolt on the Right and was fairly unimpressed for this reason. Whether they have an agenda to paint UKIP that way or just find these categories convenient they just seem too broad to be useful. Most obviously the category UKIP supporters apparently fall into - manual, semi skilled workers, trades, unemployed. And the age grouping of 55 and above.

It's an insanely broad group and doesn't tell us much, if anything about why UKIP is attractive to these people, or how this will evolve over time.

Not really a criticism of the book, it's a limitation on social sciences in general. But a good reason to take the results with a pinch of salt.

[FiF]

At the time of the research and the book writing it was a Revolt on the Right though wasn't it? Just that the lead time means that Farage has opened up a new channel of support as UKIP were always going to hit a ceiling of their support as the book points out. Since then the ssituation has been updated with various papers and essayss which leads to point two.

Secondly a lot has happened since the publication of the book. You're reading it with the benefit of hindsight not available at the latter part of 2013. For example Fabian society Revolt on the Left.

Thirdly a lot of the book is spent covering how UKIP got from that first meeting way back when through all the ups and downs over 20 years. Then examined why after 20 years of bumping along being an also ran single issue pressure group into the first genuine emergent new national party since the beginning of the last century.

[steveT350C]

Sharp swing in favour of Brexit

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/10/30/voters-shift-s...

[mrpurple]

AJS- said:

mrpurple said:

turbobloke said:

Could it possibly be that you folks already committed to voting UKIP aren't what the opponents of UKIP are portraying you as? Just a thought

You mean I am not an uneducated, left behind, loony, gadfly, retired half colonel closet racist after all?

Along with wc98's about left and right, it points towards a more general failure of using broad demographics to try and understand opinions and predict voting patterns.

I read Revolt on the Right and was fairly unimpressed for this reason. Whether they have an agenda to paint UKIP that way or just find these categories convenient they just seem too broad to be useful. Most obviously the category UKIP supporters apparently fall into - manual, semi skilled workers, trades, unemployed. And the age grouping of 55 and above.

It's an insanely broad group and doesn't tell us much, if anything about why UKIP is attractive to these people, or how this will evolve over time.

Not really a criticism of the book, it's a limitation on social sciences in general. But a good reason to take the results with a pinch of salt.

Apart from the age grouping very few, if any, fell into those other areas when I attended a few branch meetings...........pigeon holes are for pigeons not people.