UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
Foppo said:
What do you mean do you agree with this article or not?
Cameron won't be able to turn the clock back,the E.U.is about free movement of people.
It is up to Immigration to stop criminals entering the U.K.
Unless the EU changes/reforms itself there wont be a EU. It will suffer the fate of all over centralised, bureaucratic empires. Cameron won't be able to turn the clock back,the E.U.is about free movement of people.
It is up to Immigration to stop criminals entering the U.K.
Conservatives candidate for Rochester, Kelly Tolhurst, car crash interview..
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqa4Yduikc&featu...
who selected this thicko? She can't even read a script let alone have any conviction.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqa4Yduikc&featu...
who selected this thicko? She can't even read a script let alone have any conviction. jogon said:
Conservatives candidate for Rochester, Kelly Tolhurst, car crash interview..
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqa4Yduikc&featu...
who selected this thicko? She can't even read a script let alone have any conviction.
My goodness, with talent like that previously underexposed, I can see why Ken Clarke was so glad to get Mark Reckless out of the Conservative party.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqa4Yduikc&featu...
who selected this thicko? She can't even read a script let alone have any conviction. I particularly love her deflected answers and intention to stay in the EU with reform but restrict free movement principles to the point no one can access local services in the area for five years, even if they'd moved over the boundary by a mile. I do hope she gets lots of airtime before the election.
I would add that whilst my ideal candidate has some local connection, I'd rather a parachuted candidate than someone who's local but clueless.
Edited by brenflys777 on Sunday 2nd November 15:27
Edited by brenflys777 on Sunday 2nd November 15:29
brenflys777 said:
jogon said:
Conservatives candidate for Rochester, Kelly Tolhurst, car crash interview..
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqa4Yduikc&featu...
who selected this thicko? She can't even read a script let alone have any conviction.
My goodness, with talent like that previously underexposed, I can see why Ken Clarke was so glad to get Mark Reckless out of the Conservative party.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqa4Yduikc&featu...
who selected this thicko? She can't even read a script let alone have any conviction. I particularly love her deflected answers and intention to stay in the EU with reform but restrict free movement principles to the point no one can access local services in the area for five years, even if they'd moved over the boundary by a mile. I do hope she gets lots of airtime before the election.
powerstroke said:
CamMoreRon said:
powerstroke said:
Don't worry the loony left are building up the green party
For the lib dums replacement.
Best of luck to them.. the Greens are the only major party with any sort of integrity.For the lib dums replacement.
That two-faced act of deception must be what integrity means for some people
jogon said:
Heywood and Middleton final opinion poll had Lab 50% UKIP 31% the actual results was Labour 40.9% UKIP 38.7%
Look at who runs the polling companies.
I think that you may be right.Look at who runs the polling companies.
I've recently noticed that Ipsos-MORI Seem to find that the left are going to do better than other polling organisations. I haven't looked into their ownership, so I could be completely wrong.
don4l said:
jogon said:
Heywood and Middleton final opinion poll had Lab 50% UKIP 31% the actual results was Labour 40.9% UKIP 38.7%
Look at who runs the polling companies.
I think that you may be right.Look at who runs the polling companies.
I've recently noticed that Ipsos-MORI Seem to find that the left are going to do better than other polling organisations. I haven't looked into their ownership, so I could be completely wrong.
He who pays the piper etc.
There was a study about this and I can't find it on my phone. Will have a look on laptop tomorrow if I remember. Posted a link to one of the studies vol 1 this thread iirc. Showed definite bias, if bias is the right word, and most appeared to understate UKIP.
To the person who said you can't apply scientific analysis to small samples. I would agree that the sampling on some of the polls is suspect but that's the problem with a lot of market research. The researcher is required to get so many responses from each category and once they've hit their quota they don't take further input. Which is an issue.
Ashcroft attempts to deal with this by his monster polls
But essentially if you don't like how it's done now what do you suggest?
The alternatives are no polling.
Highly expensive and infrequent polls.
Why we have now which is more frequent and affordable polling where the base data is available and if you don't like the methodology you can do it to your own preferred and auditable proper method.
The problem I see is not necessarily the polling or data handling but poor reporting by the media without explanation of the full picture.
jogon said:
Conservatives candidate for Rochester, Kelly Tolhurst, car crash interview..
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqa4Yduikc&featu...
who selected this thicko? She can't even read a script let alone have any conviction.
This is what happens when you have All Female shortlists. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqa4Yduikc&featu...
who selected this thicko? She can't even read a script let alone have any conviction. They only had two applicants. God knows how thick the other one must have been.
I wonder how many male applicants they would have had without the female only policy?
FiF
As you rightly say it's not so much the data as the interpretation of it. The media take it at face value, you appear to be applying filters from 5 years ago.
I would say that you simply need to apply some intelligence to it. What's changed since then, and what is the likely result of these changes?
As you rightly say it's not so much the data as the interpretation of it. The media take it at face value, you appear to be applying filters from 5 years ago.
I would say that you simply need to apply some intelligence to it. What's changed since then, and what is the likely result of these changes?
don4l said:
This is what happens when you have All Female shortlists.
They only had two applicants. God knows how thick the other one must have been.
I wonder how many male applicants they would have had without the female only policy?
Why the f**k would you be stupid enough to have all whatever short lists?They only had two applicants. God knows how thick the other one must have been.
I wonder how many male applicants they would have had without the female only policy?
Really is something when this level of politically correct s
t gives us idiots like this?If this is the std calibre of our potential MPs no wonder we are f**ked
Scuffers said:
don4l said:
This is what happens when you have All Female shortlists.
They only had two applicants. God knows how thick the other one must have been.
I wonder how many male applicants they would have had without the female only policy?
Why the f**k would you be stupid enough to have all whatever short lists?They only had two applicants. God knows how thick the other one must have been.
I wonder how many male applicants they would have had without the female only policy?
Really is something when this level of politically correct s
t gives us idiots like this?If this is the std calibre of our potential MPs no wonder we are f**ked
AJS- said:
FiF
As you rightly say it's not so much the data as the interpretation of it. The media take it at face value, you appear to be applying filters from 5 years ago.
I would say that you simply need to apply some intelligence to it. What's changed since then, and what is the likely result of these changes?
That's the problem though. I respect Oxford Uni Steve Fisher's ability but look at his output and it only predicts Con - Lab - LibDem which is even worse. It's pretty good for those three in a 2.5 party system with a few nationalist hangers on and odd independents, but where we are today which is a genuine 4 party system and arguably with Green support close to LD then 4.5 to 5 party system.As you rightly say it's not so much the data as the interpretation of it. The media take it at face value, you appear to be applying filters from 5 years ago.
I would say that you simply need to apply some intelligence to it. What's changed since then, and what is the likely result of these changes?
With votes flying all over the place we don't yet have a model for this, or more correctly a fully proven model for a national poll.
Admittedly an individual constituency poll has more chance of being accurate albeit the point under discussion which is how much can the DNVs be relied upon to turn out this time. Historically not very much. This time it may be different. In the GE itself it will be different again.
Scuffers said:
Why the f**k would you be stupid enough to have all whatever short lists?
Really is something when this level of politically correct st gives us idiots like this?
If this is the std calibre of our potential MPs no wonder we are f**ked
Tories have always got a bit of flack about being a boy's club. This is their way of trying to address it...Really is something when this level of politically correct s
t gives us idiots like this?If this is the std calibre of our potential MPs no wonder we are f**ked
Art0ir said:
Scuffers said:
Why the f**k would you be stupid enough to have all whatever short lists?
Really is something when this level of politically correct st gives us idiots like this?
If this is the std calibre of our potential MPs no wonder we are f**ked
Tories have always got a bit of flack about being a boy's club. This is their way of trying to address it...Really is something when this level of politically correct s
t gives us idiots like this?If this is the std calibre of our potential MPs no wonder we are f**ked
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