UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[Harry H]

Greg66 said:

What seems increasingly likely is that a majority Govt in May may require a three way coalition, and that the smaller parties are increasingly distancing themselves from wanting to enter into coalitions.

Can't think why. It's worked out so well for Cleggy and his little gang of nutters.

[johnxjsc1985]

JBF50]reg66 said:

I will be genuinely impressed when UKIP wins a seat by putting up its own homegrown candidate, who starts from a a base of basically zero, and pinches the seat from Labour or Conservative.

A party whose policies are about giving wealth and power to the rich, dressed up as an anti-Establishment insurgency with a strong element of racists and right wing ex-Torys will struggle to do that in a GE.

do you work for the BBC ?

[TankRizzo]

JBF50 said:

A party whose policies are about giving wealth and power to the rich, dressed up as an anti-Establishment insurgency with a strong element of racists and right wing ex-Torys will struggle to do that in a GE.

Might I ask you to list their policies which do that?

[chris watton]

johnxjsc1985 said:

JBF50]reg66 said:

I will be genuinely impressed when UKIP wins a seat by putting up its own homegrown candidate, who starts from a a base of basically zero, and pinches the seat from Labour or Conservative.

A party whose policies are about giving wealth and power to the rich, dressed up as an anti-Establishment insurgency with a strong element of racists and right wing ex-Torys will struggle to do that in a GE.

do you work for the BBC ?

I think this is what happens when the gullible allow themselves to be spoon-fed the crap from MSM without question.

[Dog Star]

Greg66 said:

I will be genuinely impressed when UKIP wins a seat by putting up its own homegrown candidate, who starts from a a base of basically zero, and pinches the seat from Labour or Conservative.

What? You mean like Heywood and Middleton? This is sooo overlooked by people: it's in the NW; it;s a very poor area, and under normal circumstances you could stick a red rosette on a gibbon and it would get in with a 10K majority. They scraped home by 600 votes in a safe labour seat in a sthole area.

This, IMO, is the most important thing that UKIP have acheived. If they can fail by a whisker in such a constituency with a zero base and a homegrown candidate then there should be a lot of Labour MPs absolutely bricking themselves about the GE.

[johnxjsc1985]

I think UKIP do not need a big budget for the next GE the media , the BBC ,Labour and Conservative party are driving people towards UKIP and they just don't seem to have "got it " yet.

[DMN]

Zod said:

So what happened to the landslide? It was a decent victory for UKIP, but there were predictions reported in this thread of 49% and statements to the effect that the BBC could find nobody in Rochester who wasn't voting UKIP.

3000 is not a big majority to defend in May.

This isn't the bright new dawn, thats for sure. Its nothing the likes of George Galloway, or Red Ken haven't done before.

When UKIP take on and beat a sitting Tory MP, that'll be the bright new dawn their hoping for. I suspect that time will come in the GE.

[Einion Yrth]

DMN said:

This isn't the bright new dawn, thats for sure. Its nothing the likes of George Galloway, or Red Ken haven't done before.

When UKIP take on and beat a sitting Tory MP, that'll be the bright new dawn their hoping for. I suspect that time will come in the GE.

Why a Tory? Ousting Miliband in Doncaster would be the real fun.

[DMN]

That would be funny.

[mrpurple]

Einion Yrth said:

Why a Tory? Ousting Miliband in Doncaster would be the real fun.

Just made me choke on my bacon sarny.

[turbobloke]

Zod said:

So what happened to the landslide?...there were predictions reported in this thread of 49%...

If that's the case, it's presumably the same type of thing that happened when John Major won a General Election with a 21 seat majority against polls that showed a 20 point deficit during the run-up and a consistent Labour lead. Given that polls which appear on PH aren't the work of PHers as far as we know, their accuracy isn't a reflection of any PHer posting them.

Looking at a UKIP result and spinning it down is the expected reaction these days, but normally emanates from sore losers like CMD and Ed. The result for Clegg's muppets was just perfect.

[hidetheelephants]

mrpurple said:

Einion Yrth said:

Why a Tory? Ousting Miliband in Doncaster would be the real fun.

Just made me choke on my bacon sarny.

I'd pay to see that; it would eclipse even Twiglet ousting Portillo in 97.

[turbobloke]

hidetheelephants said:

mrpurple said:

Einion Yrth said:

Why a Tory? Ousting Miliband in Doncaster would be the real fun.

Just made me choke on my bacon sarny.

I'd pay to see that; it would eclipse even Twiglet ousting Portillo in 97.

Paying to see someone choke on a bacon sarnie is a bit much.

[The Don of Croy]

Greg66 said:

...What seems increasingly likely is that a majority Govt in May may require a three way coalition, and that the smaller parties are increasingly distancing themselves from wanting to enter into coalitions...

Do you think BOTH LibDem MP's still sitting after the GE will be invited into a coalition?

[wc98]

turbobloke said:

Zod said:

So what happened to the landslide?...there were predictions reported in this thread of 49%...

If that's the case, it's presumably the same type of thing that happened when John Major won a General Election with a 21 seat majority against polls that showed a 20 point deficit during the run-up and a consistent Labour lead. Given that polls which appear on PH aren't the work of PHers as far as we know, their accuracy isn't a reflection of any PHer posting them.

Looking at a UKIP result and spinning it down is the expected reaction these days, but normally emanates from sore losers like CMD and Ed. The result for Clegg's muppets was just perfect.

of course a 42% share of the vote at their first attempt is a piss poor performance gove appears absolutely certain all the ex tory voters will come gamboling back to the flock come the general election ,we shall see.

[Yazar]

Zod said:

So what happened to the landslide? It was a decent victory for UKIP, but there were predictions reported in this thread of 49% and statements to the effect that the BBC could find nobody in Rochester who wasn't voting UKIP.

3000 is not a big majority to defend in May.

Why so grumpy,Was that kitchen sink hard to carry back to your lair?

Nothing worse than a sore loser. You had 1000 Tory activists there in the last few days, spent 100k on the primary, another 100k on the campaign.

With Cameron spending so much time in Rochester in person, make no mistake. This was not a win against the Torycandidate, it was a win against Cameron himself.

[Esseesse]

On Conservative Home: Ed West: Tim Montgomerie has ten reasons for not voting for UKIP. Here are ten of mine for doing so.

[anonymous-user]

Yazar said:

This was not a win against the Torycandidate, it was a win against Cameron himself.

Isn't that quite often the case with a by-election? It's a vote against the current Govt and its leader?

[dandarez]

Next defector to UKIP?

Tory Philip Hollobone voted alongside Carswell and Reckless in HoC backing the Labour NHS vote today.
Hollobone noted to be wearing a vivid 'purple' tie.

PS
Hollobone was educated at Dulwich College, where he was a contemporary of the current leader of UKIP.

[Wombat3]

Dog Star said:

Greg66 said:

I will be genuinely impressed when UKIP wins a seat by putting up its own homegrown candidate, who starts from a a base of basically zero, and pinches the seat from Labour or Conservative.

What? You mean like Heywood and Middleton? This is sooo overlooked by people: it's in the NW; it;s a very poor area, and under normal circumstances you could stick a red rosette on a gibbon and it would get in with a 10K majority. They scraped home by 600 votes in a safe labour seat in a sthole area.

This, IMO, is the most important thing that UKIP have acheived. If they can fail by a whisker in such a constituency with a zero base and a homegrown candidate then there should be a lot of Labour MPs absolutely bricking themselves about the GE.

No, its not overlooked, IIRC the turnout was very, very low, about 35%. In such circumstances it is not unreasonable to assume that it is the voters of the larger /majority party that stayed at home. Anyone who felt strongly enough to vote to make a point probably did so. Odds would be that Labour will retain H&M at the GE with a significantly larger majority than 600