UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[FiF]

AJS- said:

Zod said:

So what happened to the landslide? It was a decent victory for UKIP, but there were predictions reported in this thread of 49% and statements to the effect that the BBC could find nobody in Rochester who wasn't voting UKIP.

Same thing that happened to the irrelevant protest party would never win seats at Westminster. Times have changed and people are finally, decades late, making their dissatisfaction with the major parties felt at the ballot box.

The difficulty is that everybody is dissatisfied with somebody and going somewhere else, well not everybody obviously, but the way votes are moving about is making it largely impossible to track, plus means polls truly are snapshots and not predictions, which has always been the case in truth, but especially difficult now.

Here is one view.


Times Red Box

[FiF]

Two sides of the white van debate

Who lost the working classs?

A spurious victim

[brenflys777]

I'm not sure if there will be more defections, but there is certainly discontent from inside the old parties.

This tweet from Zac Goldsmith:

@ZacGoldsmith: . @DouglasCarswell The main Parties have no idea. They refuse to share power with voters and so eventually they will lose it.

[FiF]

World at One interview

[zygalski]

FiF said:

The Tories (like Labour) are heading for the graveyard. So how would Stanley Baldwin have dealt with it?

Mail link Dominic Sandbrook writes

What?
Looks to me like a few Tories are heading for UKIP.
Of course the 2 former Tories are now models of political virtue. They are changed men. I'm sure their own families barely recognise them these days.
Keep deluding yourselves, kippers.

[FiF]

brenflys777 said:

I'm not sure if there will be more defections, but there is certainly discontent from inside the old parties.

This tweet from Zac Goldsmith:

@ZacGoldsmith: . @DouglasCarswell The main Parties have no idea. They refuse to share power with voters and so eventually they will lose it.

Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 2h 2 hours ago
David Cameron must now with sincerity and clarity outline his vision for Britain.


Which is what a few of us have been saying. Wonder if the usual suspects will then ridicule Michael Ashcroft?

[FiF]

zygalski said:

FiF said:

The Tories (like Labour) are heading for the graveyard. So how would Stanley Baldwin have dealt with it?

Mail link Dominic Sandbrook writes

What?
Looks to me like a few Tories are heading for UKIP.
Of course the 2 former Tories are now models of political virtue. They are changed men. I'm sure their own families barely recognise them these days.
Keep deluding yourselves, kippers.

LoL another one

[anonymous-user]

Old Tory habits (infighting) die hard: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30157507

I would be amazed if Carswell and Reckless didn't have a Plan C, D, E, or lower on their list, that involved removing Farage as party leader at some point.

[zygalski]

UKonservatives?

[Yazar]

zygalski said:

Of course the 2 former Tories are now models of political virtue. They are changed men. I'm sure their own families barely recognise them these days.

How has Douglas Carswell changed?

[Timsta]

Yazar said:

zygalski said:

Of course the 2 former Tories are now models of political virtue. They are changed men. I'm sure their own families barely recognise them these days.

How has Douglas Carswell changed?

Don't feed it.

[PRTVR]

Greg66 said:

Old Tory habits (infighting) die hard: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30157507

I would be amazed if Carswell and Reckless didn't have a Plan C, D, E, or lower on their list, that involved removing Farage as party leader at some point.

Do you really think that the birth of a new party, with its first two MPs in Parliament would be easy? Nobody to guide them, no rules to follow, it will take time, but eventually things will get sorted, ready for the rest to follow.

[Mermaid]

FiF said:

Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 2h 2 hours ago
David Cameron must now with sincerity and clarity outline his vision for Britain.

Which is what a few of us have been saying. Wonder if the usual suspects will then ridicule Michael Ashcroft?

He who dares wins, hope he does. UKIP, a catalyst but can be curtailed.

[steveT350C]

UKIP won the Rochester and Strood by-election amid offstage chatter of more Tories abandoning the party and throwing in their lot with UKIP.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/...

[McWigglebum4th]

There is one simple way that cameron could destroy UKIPs chances and credibility

He could join UKIP

[brenflys777]

McWigglebum4th said:

There is one simple way that cameron could destroy UKIPs chances and credibility

He could join UKIP

[dandarez]

brenflys777 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

There is one simple way that cameron could destroy UKIPs chances and credibility

He could join UKIP

Oh, or he could vastly improve the Tories chances ...by resigning!

[Mermaid]

McWigglebum4th said:

There is one simple way that cameron could destroy UKIPs chances and credibility

He could join UKIP

or Farage becomes new Tory leader

[BlackLabel]

The bookies now have UKIP as odds on to win 6 or more seats in 2015. This time last year they were odds against (and by some margin) to even pick up 1 seat.

[dandarez]

BlackLabel said:

The bookies now have UKIP as odds on to win 6 or more seats in 2015. This time last year they were odds against (and by some margin) to even pick up 1 seat.

Not that long ago someone on here laid out a bet (100 quid if I recall) that UKIP would not get a single MP at the GE.

He's very, very quiet on this thread now!