UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
jogon said:
How many MEPs did the Lib Dems return in the south west a few months ago? Zero.
Nice little map to make it a little easier for you to understand..
Areas where there are high numbers of Ukip-leaning voters are coloured shades of purple. The marginal seats in which its impact will be crucial are outlined in black
I wonder how much of that UKIP support in the SW is down to EU complicity in the Somerset Levels flooding?Nice little map to make it a little easier for you to understand..
Areas where there are high numbers of Ukip-leaning voters are coloured shades of purple. The marginal seats in which its impact will be crucial are outlined in black
Could be the LibDems will pay dearly for their EU-enthusiasm.
WinstonWolf said:
XJ Flyer said:
BlackLabel said:
mrpurple said:
UKIP’s new parliamentary candidate for Boston and Skegness.........22 yrs old...........but but but he's not a left behind old fogie how can that be?
http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/local/ukip-vo...
A very winnable seat for a ukip.http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/local/ukip-vo...
Last time round it was:
Tories 21k, Labour 9k, LD 6k, UKIP 4k and BNP 2k.
XJ Flyer said:
WinstonWolf said:
XJ Flyer said:
BlackLabel said:
mrpurple said:
UKIP’s new parliamentary candidate for Boston and Skegness.........22 yrs old...........but but but he's not a left behind old fogie how can that be?
http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/local/ukip-vo...
A very winnable seat for a ukip.http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/local/ukip-vo...
Last time round it was:
Tories 21k, Labour 9k, LD 6k, UKIP 4k and BNP 2k.
DJRC said:
FiF said:
DJRC said:
What the my left b
k does Rochester have to do with the south west?
Err you might find a clue as to why Rochester in your earlier post. k does Rochester have to do with the south west?DJRC said:
The critical fight for me is Lab v UKIP in the northern working class seats. If UKIP are serious they will divert resources away from the south east of England where they have some self sufficient traction now
Sort yourself out. Rochester...South East.
South West...er...the south west. Where the Lib Dems have a reasonable strong hold. Where what happens in a south east seat of a sitting Tory MP moving parties has bugger all impact. Or relevance.
So, once again with...what the my left bullock does Rochester have to do with the South West?
IE caved in on the immigration issue at the first hurdle.While it was noticeable,that during the by election discussion UKIP's answer to the issue of the south east being concreted over by the socialist and cheap labour Con pro development cause,was to say yes we'll take it but we need to find somewhere better to put it.As opposed to telling the pro development Cornish Con MP and his LabLibdem allies,if they are so keen on building then lets put some new towns and redistribute the immigrant communities to underpopulated constituencies like his and Cameron's amongst others.That is in addition to UKIP somehow reaching the conclusion it is supposedly beneficial to tie England,let alone South East England,to the Scottish vote.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Sunday 23 November 16:50
WinstonWolf said:
XJ Flyer said:
WinstonWolf said:
XJ Flyer said:
BlackLabel said:
mrpurple said:
UKIP’s new parliamentary candidate for Boston and Skegness.........22 yrs old...........but but but he's not a left behind old fogie how can that be?
http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/local/ukip-vo...
A very winnable seat for a ukip.http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/local/ukip-vo...
Last time round it was:
Tories 21k, Labour 9k, LD 6k, UKIP 4k and BNP 2k.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Sunday 23 November 16:56
The UKIP future just got brighter:
The YouGov survey also found that nearly three times as many of those asked thought the UK Independence Party leader would be the best Prime Minister compared with Labour's Ed Miliband.
The findings, which had 38 per cent of those surveyed backing the Tories, 28 per cent Ukip and 25 per cent Labour, came after former Tory MP Mark Reckless became Ukip's second elected MP in the Rochester and Strood by-election.
The YouGov survey also found that nearly three times as many of those asked thought the UK Independence Party leader would be the best Prime Minister compared with Labour's Ed Miliband.
The findings, which had 38 per cent of those surveyed backing the Tories, 28 per cent Ukip and 25 per cent Labour, came after former Tory MP Mark Reckless became Ukip's second elected MP in the Rochester and Strood by-election.
NicD said:
The UKIP future just got brighter:
The YouGov survey also found that nearly three times as many of those asked thought the UK Independence Party leader would be the best Prime Minister compared with Labour's Ed Miliband.
The findings, which had 38 per cent of those surveyed backing the Tories, 28 per cent Ukip and 25 per cent Labour, came after former Tory MP Mark Reckless became Ukip's second elected MP in the Rochester and Strood by-election.
The more relevant question would be would Davis make a better Conservative leader than Cameron.The YouGov survey also found that nearly three times as many of those asked thought the UK Independence Party leader would be the best Prime Minister compared with Labour's Ed Miliband.
The findings, which had 38 per cent of those surveyed backing the Tories, 28 per cent Ukip and 25 per cent Labour, came after former Tory MP Mark Reckless became Ukip's second elected MP in the Rochester and Strood by-election.
NicD said:
The UKIP future just got brighter:
The YouGov survey also found that nearly three times as many of those asked thought the UK Independence Party leader would be the best Prime Minister compared with Labour's Ed Miliband.
The findings, which had 38 per cent of those surveyed backing the Tories, 28 per cent Ukip and 25 per cent Labour, came after former Tory MP Mark Reckless became Ukip's second elected MP in the Rochester and Strood by-election.
When you're doing your usual ctrl-c, ctrl-v posting, it would be helpful to provide the source. The YouGov survey also found that nearly three times as many of those asked thought the UK Independence Party leader would be the best Prime Minister compared with Labour's Ed Miliband.
The findings, which had 38 per cent of those surveyed backing the Tories, 28 per cent Ukip and 25 per cent Labour, came after former Tory MP Mark Reckless became Ukip's second elected MP in the Rochester and Strood by-election.
Why does the discovery that Farage is slightly better regarded than the man who is regarded as a bigger disaster area than Michael Foot good news?
Well on the subject of leaders this could be the only GE we see Cameron face Farage. Cameron will be gone and Farage will stand down at the end of his current tenure. This is in 2018 iirc.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-far...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-far...
Greg66 said:
When you're doing your usual ctrl-c, ctrl-v posting, it would be helpful to provide the source.
Why does the discovery that Farage is slightly better regarded than the man who is regarded as a bigger disaster area than Michael Foot good news?
well, its rather interesting, the link is there on the web crawlers but pulled from the original, The Express.Why does the discovery that Farage is slightly better regarded than the man who is regarded as a bigger disaster area than Michael Foot good news?
Maybe it wasn't accurate.
http://uk.gotnewswire.com/news/poll-boost-for-fara...
mrpurple said:
NicD said:
XJ Flyer said:
The more relevant question would be would Davis make a better Conservative leader than Cameron.
You can ask that question on the "Future of the Conservatives' thread.
The YouGov survey referenced by NicD above subject of a complaint by Greg66 presumably due to Google aversion is linked below.
The full data tables can be accessed from the linked page. Should work Ok for those of you without an account.
Hth
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/11/23/conservatives...
Edited later to amend. The above is not the poll referenced, see later in thread. Apologies for misleading information. The above is a proper poll the Express one is, well, the Express usual.
The full data tables can be accessed from the linked page. Should work Ok for those of you without an account.
Hth
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/11/23/conservatives...
Edited later to amend. The above is not the poll referenced, see later in thread. Apologies for misleading information. The above is a proper poll the Express one is, well, the Express usual.
Edited by FiF on Monday 24th November 10:57
UKIP prospects next year will, in part, depend on how much money they can raise.
In 2005 the Tories spent 18m, in 2010 about the same.
In 2005 Labour spent 18m, in 2010 they spent 8m.
In 2005 the Lib Dems spent just over 4m, in 2010 that was just under 5m.
Whereas UKIP spent 700k.
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journ...
In 2005 the Tories spent 18m, in 2010 about the same.
In 2005 Labour spent 18m, in 2010 they spent 8m.
In 2005 the Lib Dems spent just over 4m, in 2010 that was just under 5m.
Whereas UKIP spent 700k.
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journ...
FT.com said:
The former treasurer of the UK Independence party has appealed for donors to give his party more cash, after figures were released showing Ukip received less than £100,000 in the third quarter of this year.
Stuart Wheeler, who was a Conservative donor before defecting to become Ukip’s chief fundraiser in 2011, told the Financial Times that donations had been sluggish in the middle part of the year.
“Donations go up and down, but right now, we need more money – there is no doubt about that,” said Mr Wheeler, the founder of the spread betting company IG Index.
Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, was hoping to raise between £6m and £7m before the next general election, Mr Wheeler said, although he said this might not materialise if the party failed to win next week’s Rochester by-election. “Success does breed success and so there might be some who give if we have a good win, but not if we lose,” he said.
Mr Wheeler said he was not speaking on behalf of the party, but added: “After all, if we win at Rochester and this is followed by a very successful general election in May, we might even be in some form of coalition as a result of that – who knows? In that case, donors could have in mind possible advantages to their businesses!”
Figures released by the Electoral Commission show Ukip received just £98,387 in donations in the three months to the end of September. They lagged well behind four other parties, including the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish National party.
This struggle for funding occurred during arguably Ukip’s most successful period, when two Conservative MPs defected to the party and it gained four points in the polls.
The biggest single donation to Ukip during the period was from Leslie Kaye, a long-time supporter who got in touch with party officials out of the blue. Mr Wheeler admitted he knew little about Mr Kaye or his background.
The party expects donations to pick up during the current quarter, not least from Aaron Banks, the former Conservative donor who promised in October that he would give the party £1m. The party also enjoys the support of a number of other former Conservative donors, including Andrew Reid, the current treasurer, who gave £6,498, and Robin Birley, who gave £5,000.
The Conservatives were the most successful party at fundraising during the third quarter, taking in £6.8m, while Labour received £3.7m when funding to the affiliated Co-operative party was taken into account.
The Tories benefited most from the support of wealthy businessmen and financiers, including Lord Farmer and JCB, the equipment manufacturer. Lord Farmer, a founding partner of RK Mine Finance – which owns Red Kite, one of the biggest metals funds in the world – is the party’s treasurer. He had previously donated more than £2m, and was made a peer this year. JCB’s chairman, Lord Bamford, was given the same honour last year.
Labour, meanwhile, attracted £3.2m in donations, although it will also benefit from the £415,114 given to the affiliated Co-operative party. However, this was well down on the figure for the previous quarter, which saw Labour receive £5.7m.
Labour was more reliant on the country’s biggest unions, from which it received £1.3m. The most generous were Usdaw, which gave £520,000, and Unison, which donated more than £200,000.
At an auction for Labour, Antony Gormley, the artist, donated a drawing entitled “Feeling Material XXXVII”, which fetched £135,000. At the same auction, Anish Kapoor donated a painting that garnered £35,000, Grayson Perry gave a statue that went for £20,000, while Mark Wallinger donated a model of the giant white horse sculpture he intends to place near Ebbsfleet, in Kent.
The Liberal Democrats were not far behind Labour, receiving £2.8m worth of donations during the period, although nearly £1m came from a single gift – a bequest from George G. Watson, a long-time party member and former Cambridge university lecturer.
The only other party to be given more than £1m was the Scottish National party, which brought in £1.5m in the run-up to the Scottish independence referendum. Almost the entire amount came from three donations, two from Colin and Christine Weir, the National Lottery winners, and one from Sir Brian Souter, who founded the Stagecoach transport company.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/502f138e-6b2e-11e4-ae52-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3Jv2Wi8rrStuart Wheeler, who was a Conservative donor before defecting to become Ukip’s chief fundraiser in 2011, told the Financial Times that donations had been sluggish in the middle part of the year.
“Donations go up and down, but right now, we need more money – there is no doubt about that,” said Mr Wheeler, the founder of the spread betting company IG Index.
Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, was hoping to raise between £6m and £7m before the next general election, Mr Wheeler said, although he said this might not materialise if the party failed to win next week’s Rochester by-election. “Success does breed success and so there might be some who give if we have a good win, but not if we lose,” he said.
Mr Wheeler said he was not speaking on behalf of the party, but added: “After all, if we win at Rochester and this is followed by a very successful general election in May, we might even be in some form of coalition as a result of that – who knows? In that case, donors could have in mind possible advantages to their businesses!”
Figures released by the Electoral Commission show Ukip received just £98,387 in donations in the three months to the end of September. They lagged well behind four other parties, including the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish National party.
This struggle for funding occurred during arguably Ukip’s most successful period, when two Conservative MPs defected to the party and it gained four points in the polls.
The biggest single donation to Ukip during the period was from Leslie Kaye, a long-time supporter who got in touch with party officials out of the blue. Mr Wheeler admitted he knew little about Mr Kaye or his background.
The party expects donations to pick up during the current quarter, not least from Aaron Banks, the former Conservative donor who promised in October that he would give the party £1m. The party also enjoys the support of a number of other former Conservative donors, including Andrew Reid, the current treasurer, who gave £6,498, and Robin Birley, who gave £5,000.
The Conservatives were the most successful party at fundraising during the third quarter, taking in £6.8m, while Labour received £3.7m when funding to the affiliated Co-operative party was taken into account.
The Tories benefited most from the support of wealthy businessmen and financiers, including Lord Farmer and JCB, the equipment manufacturer. Lord Farmer, a founding partner of RK Mine Finance – which owns Red Kite, one of the biggest metals funds in the world – is the party’s treasurer. He had previously donated more than £2m, and was made a peer this year. JCB’s chairman, Lord Bamford, was given the same honour last year.
Labour, meanwhile, attracted £3.2m in donations, although it will also benefit from the £415,114 given to the affiliated Co-operative party. However, this was well down on the figure for the previous quarter, which saw Labour receive £5.7m.
Labour was more reliant on the country’s biggest unions, from which it received £1.3m. The most generous were Usdaw, which gave £520,000, and Unison, which donated more than £200,000.
At an auction for Labour, Antony Gormley, the artist, donated a drawing entitled “Feeling Material XXXVII”, which fetched £135,000. At the same auction, Anish Kapoor donated a painting that garnered £35,000, Grayson Perry gave a statue that went for £20,000, while Mark Wallinger donated a model of the giant white horse sculpture he intends to place near Ebbsfleet, in Kent.
The Liberal Democrats were not far behind Labour, receiving £2.8m worth of donations during the period, although nearly £1m came from a single gift – a bequest from George G. Watson, a long-time party member and former Cambridge university lecturer.
The only other party to be given more than £1m was the Scottish National party, which brought in £1.5m in the run-up to the Scottish independence referendum. Almost the entire amount came from three donations, two from Colin and Christine Weir, the National Lottery winners, and one from Sir Brian Souter, who founded the Stagecoach transport company.
WinstonWolf said:
johnS2000 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Why not start a BNP thread to gauge how much support your opinions really have?
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