UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[WinstonWolf]

XJ Flyer said:

WinstonWolf said:

johnS2000 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Why not start a BNP thread to gauge how much support your opinions really have?

Why ? Most people haven't got the courage to answer truthfully !They'll say what they think people want to hear !

Start one and see then.

The issue is all about UKIP changing its immigration stance to attract an alien voter base to that which it supposedly intended to represent.At least concerning the issue of cheap imported east European labour.

No, it is about the future of the UKIP. You are more suited to the BNP.

[XJ Flyer]

WinstonWolf said:

XJ Flyer said:

WinstonWolf said:

johnS2000 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Why not start a BNP thread to gauge how much support your opinions really have?

Why ? Most people haven't got the courage to answer truthfully !They'll say what they think people want to hear !

Start one and see then.

The issue is all about UKIP changing its immigration stance to attract an alien voter base to that which it supposedly intended to represent.At least concerning the issue of cheap imported east European labour.

No, it is about the future of the UKIP. You are more suited to the BNP.

Or the opposite view could be that those who don't agree with UKIP's 'stated' immigration policy,of removal of cheap east European immigrant labour,should stay with the LabLibdemCon alliance.

[WinstonWolf]

XJ Flyer said:

WinstonWolf said:

XJ Flyer said:

WinstonWolf said:

johnS2000 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Why not start a BNP thread to gauge how much support your opinions really have?

Why ? Most people haven't got the courage to answer truthfully !They'll say what they think people want to hear !

Start one and see then.

The issue is all about UKIP changing its immigration stance to attract an alien voter base to that which it supposedly intended to represent.At least concerning the issue of cheap imported east European labour.

No, it is about the future of the UKIP. You are more suited to the BNP.

Or the opposite view could be that those who don't agree with UKIP's 'stated' immigration policy,of removal of cheap east European immigrant labour,should stay with the LabLibdemCon alliance.

If you want "them dirty foreigners out" vote BNP. If you want a vote on our future in Europe vote UKIP. Your choice...

[FiF]

Seems that the EU is throwing the kitchen sink at us.

link

Conservative Business Minister Matthew Hancock said:

it's completely bonkers...

[XJ Flyer]

WinstonWolf said:

XJ Flyer said:

WinstonWolf said:

XJ Flyer said:

WinstonWolf said:

johnS2000 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Why not start a BNP thread to gauge how much support your opinions really have?

Why ? Most people haven't got the courage to answer truthfully !They'll say what they think people want to hear !

Start one and see then.

The issue is all about UKIP changing its immigration stance to attract an alien voter base to that which it supposedly intended to represent.At least concerning the issue of cheap imported east European labour.

No, it is about the future of the UKIP. You are more suited to the BNP.

Or the opposite view could be that those who don't agree with UKIP's 'stated' immigration policy,of removal of cheap east European immigrant labour,should stay with the LabLibdemCon alliance.

If you want "them dirty foreigners out" vote BNP. If you want a vote on our future in Europe vote UKIP. Your choice...

That isn't exactly a true representation of UKIP'S 'previous' election pitch regarding the issue.If UKIP wants to lose its core vote,your idea of branding anyone who wants to close the door to cheap east european labour as a racist,bearing in mind UKIP's previous policy regards same,would be a ( very ) good way of going about it.If I read it right it was actually you who said that the UKIP vote in Boston would be based on that issue.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Sunday 23 November 20:11

[WinstonWolf]

Do you want a sensible immigration policy that benefits Britian similar to the Australian system, or just to "send 'em back".

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

The YouGov survey referenced by NicD above subject of a complaint by Greg66 presumably due to Google aversion is linked below.

The full data tables can be accessed from the linked page. Should work Ok for those of you without an account.

Hth






https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/11/23/conservatives...

Don't be a dick. It's not asking much to ask people who quote stuff to provide the source.

Anyway, what's now clear is that 40% of those polled are not in work. Probably explains how they have time to respond to a survey.

And what was always clear is that the Express is a comic.

[XJ Flyer]

WinstonWolf said:

Do you want a sensible immigration policy that benefits Britian similar to the Australian system, or just to "send 'em back".

As you've said UKIP's vote in Boston for one example is in large part based on the issue of cheap east european immigrant labour which EU membership has created.Under the Australian or New Zealand systems that labour wouldn't have been allowed in.

Those systems also allow for the retrospective removal of immigrant labour assuming their immigration status changes for whatever reason.In this case withdrawal from the EU and retrospective removal of immigrant labour work permit status regarding any european member states as we choose,would be entirely consistent with the Australian and New Zealand systems and probably the Canadian system too.

www.graceremovals.co.nz/newsitems/174-truckies-sen...

Edited by XJ Flyer on Sunday 23 November 20:35

[NicD]

I would endorse that system, but would listen to reasoned argument to the contrary.

[NicD]

Greg66 said:

And what was always clear is that the Express is a comic.

out of interest, which sources do you rate as authoritative and not 'a comic'?

[anonymous-user]

NicD said:

Greg66 said:

And what was always clear is that the Express is a comic.

out of interest, which sources do you rate as authoritative and not 'a comic'?

So we know our starting point, are you putting forward the Express as an authoritative news source?

[FiF]

From Lord Ashcroft

Nigel Farage is right, all general election bets are off

[NicD]

Greg66 said:

So we know our starting point, are you putting forward the Express as an authoritative news source?

I am not the one who made the sweeping and derogatory comment.

I read many sources I come across that are not behind a paywall and make up my own mind about bias. Usually, the nub of the story is factual.

[anonymous-user]

NicD said:

I am not the one who made the sweeping and derogatory comment.

I read many sources I come across that are not behind a paywall and make up my own mind about bias. Usually, the nub of the story is factual.

Once more: do you consider the Express an authoritative news source? A simple yes no will suffice.

[XJ Flyer]

FiF said:

From Lord Ashcroft

Nigel Farage is right, all general election bets are off

What a surprise a Con peer talks up the Con vote at the election in the hope that might work.Assuming that the UKIP vote intends to vote for the Cons at the General election why would it have bothered to vote for UKIP in the by election.Having said that Farage caving in on the immigration issue probably won't help in retaining that vote.

[XJ Flyer]

Greg66 said:

Once more: do you consider the Express an authoritative news source?

To be fair it beats the Morning Star or Socialist Worker.

[JustAnotherLogin]

BlackLabel said:

FT.com said:

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Mr Wheeler {UKIPS Chief Fundraiser} said he was not speaking on behalf of the party, but added: “After all, if we win at Rochester and this is followed by a very successful general election in May, we might even be in some form of coalition as a result of that – who knows? In that case, donors could have in mind possible advantages to their businesses!”

That sounds almost exactly the same as cash for influence. I thought UKIP were supposed to be pure and clean and above all that?

[Esseesse]

XJ Flyer said:

Having said that Farage caving in on the immigration issue probably won't help in retaining that vote.

Farage hasn't caved in anything, what he stated was what has been UKIP's position for as long as I can remember. You just got excited when Reckless minced his words a bit.

I must had read this mistruth posted by you 10+ times in this thread. It's really boring.

[XJ Flyer]

Esseesse said:

XJ Flyer said:

Having said that Farage caving in on the immigration issue probably won't help in retaining that vote.

Farage hasn't caved in anything, what he stated was what has been UKIP's position for as long as I can remember. You just got excited when Reckless minced his words a bit.

I must had read this mistruth posted by you 10+ times in this thread. It's really boring.

There's no way that any policy of leaving the EU partly to sort out the issue of east European immigration,can be remotely believable if that immigration policy isn't going o be applied retrospectively.

As it stands the idea that all those who arrive before we leave the EU can all keep their work permit/right to residence status will just increase the problem massively.By those moving here to beat any possible deadline while also making no difference to the issue as it stands.

[s2art]

XJ Flyer said:

Esseesse said:

XJ Flyer said:

Having said that Farage caving in on the immigration issue probably won't help in retaining that vote.

Farage hasn't caved in anything, what he stated was what has been UKIP's position for as long as I can remember. You just got excited when Reckless minced his words a bit.

I must had read this mistruth posted by you 10+ times in this thread. It's really boring.

There's no way that any policy of leaving the EU partly to sort out the issue of east European immigration,can be remotely believable if that immigration policy isn't going o be applied retrospectively.

As it stands the idea that all those who arrive before we leave the EU can all keep their work permit/right to residence status will just increase the problem massively.By those moving here to beat any possible deadline while also making no difference to the issue as it stands.

You are deluded. If there is a Brexit then all non-Brit workers will be given a work permit, and then would be allowed to apply for residency. It has to be this way to make things equitable for non EU applicants. Of course work permits are limited in duration, they would have to re-apply periodically. Depending on the prevailing conditions all such applications (work or residency) will be judged on their merits, it doesnt mean we chuck people out immediately, it means we can control immigration and let them leave if we dont need them.